You Don't Own That Tractor Agricultural Agorism with Geoff Wacker S3-EP11

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they they're gonna pass because i've processed and it wasn't processed by somebody that really

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didn't care for the chicken or you know i mean they just they just stare at you know cut it open

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and you know move on whereas i i cared for the chicken i processed the chicken you know humanely

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and then i packaged it beautifully and they're still like weird weird about it yeah it's so weird

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It is weird.

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My parents were like that at first, and they didn't want to try the eggs from my house.

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And then I finally got them to do it, and then they're like, oh, those are great.

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And then they want more.

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It just takes that little bit of a try there at first.

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But it was like a thing.

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We had a friend come over, and we went out and got eggs fresh from the coop.

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Which, by the way, that's not a morning thing.

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I don't know who came up with that idea, but mine are like noon.

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It's never in the morning.

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Two in the afternoon.

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Three o'clock's a nice time to go get them all.

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Right?

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So, you know, I went out there and collected some eggs and brought them in.

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I'm like, yeah, let's have some eggs.

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And I put them down and grabbed one of them, picked it up.

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He goes, it's still warm.

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Is this safe?

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I'm like, there's no safer thing on the planet to digest, man.

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all right everybody welcome back to another episode of the space tomatoes podcast i'm one

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of your hosts havoc i'm the other guy lx hello welcome back all that other guy we love him

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Today we have with us a special guest, Jeff Wacker, author of Agricultural Agrism, From Soil to Sovereignty.

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Welcome to the show, Jeff.

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Jeff.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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So, I guess we'll start off real quick.

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What is agorism?

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What is agorism?

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Um, well, agorism is, it is free market, right?

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So it is the expression of that free market.

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Um, so I guess I get so amped up.

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So agorism is the, the expression.

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It's the action, um, of the market.

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Um, it's, it's colors, black and gray kind of represent those markets.

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A lot of the agorism is done in like the black and gray markets just as being done freely, right?

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So once you've changed your mind on what that looks like, the action is easy.

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So that's kind of like the layman's terms.

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Yeah, I like to say one of the things I like to say in the crowd, the liberty-oriented crowd is anarchy is the idea.

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Yeah. Agorism is the way. Right. And yeah, it really is just kind of removing the middleman, allowing free market trade between two individuals that agree on a price and, you know, are both walking away feeling like they they did OK in that deal with nobody coming in and saying, well, we're going to protect you by robbing you.

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right or we just would like to just be a part of this transaction for

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no reason just to be a part of it yeah yeah yeah and take our cut i'm sure i'm sure you know that's

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part of it too right absolutely and it's and it is and and i think that um i think the word

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agorism puts a puts a name on it puts a face on it right um but you still have so many people out

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there that are doing this all the time. They don't realize it. They don't put a name to it

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every day, but they do it every day. And this book really kind of opened my eyes to that,

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that there are so many people out there that just, they just do this. And it could be just a

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small ladies group. And they're trading, you know, four prescription pills for a dozen eggs,

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right and that there's there's agorism right there's the action there's the free market

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should they be trading prescription pills to somebody else no but i didn't need the government

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to tell me i didn't need any of that so um that that really is kind of putting a name and a face

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on it it's just putting that that agorism name on it awesome awesome that makes sense i i had

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never heard that term before today actually before you know i saw your book yeah i've never

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heard that lx is a bit more on the apolitical side like i don know i don care i don want to know uh which is fine and and you know has its own merits right yes well there there definitely

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principles in it right so and i think that um just putting aside those politics you know you

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can look at agorism and you can say, look, it's, um, it's practical. Um, and then when you put it

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in the agricultural sense, um, it really kind of, I know what I do, I was going to, when I wrote the

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book that, um, people in the agorist communities, they would, they would like this book. Um, it kind

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of sings to them, but it's harder to get the agricultural people involved, right? They, a lot

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of these people, they depend on the government. They, they need it. They, they have to have it.

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There's people out there that have subsidies and, um, that are all tied to this. So they believe in

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it and they, I'm finding more and more that they're not believing in it. Um, they're really

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kind of separating themselves from this and it's not, it's not even a political issue. It's not,

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um it's just a it it's more of a becomes more of a personal issue yeah you know like i have to kind

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of do what i have to do for my family for myself and i i also have principles so that that makes

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sense do you think farmers actually like believe that that's the way things have to be done or do

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you think that's just kind of the way things have been done for a while and that's just kind of like

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what they learned how to do it i i mean i i know personally uh some farmers and they've kind of

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learned the ways from their parents and i'm sure their parents learned it from their parents and

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that's just kind of how the way things have been done for a long time yeah and i and i as i'm kind

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of going through i'm doing another project as well right now and i'm i'm talking to these farmers

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and you know there's a lot of these guys that they'll do the the genetically modified stuff and

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And it's corn and soy.

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It's rotation corn and soy.

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And that's what they do because that's what their parents made money with.

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And that's what their grandparents made money with.

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Right.

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It's subsidized by the government.

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So I'm guaranteed that paycheck.

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But at the end of the day, that paycheck's not going as far.

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It's just the government's pretty much working against them at this point.

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they they're looking for a way out. Um, and I'm seeing a lot more people coming to me from the

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agriculture, like, just like, like what's agorism? What does this mean? What, what,

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what am I looking at here? And that is, that's something that I think that when we look at

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what they'll do in the future, you'll see this being more of what they do in the future.

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They're not going to grow this corn soy rotation anymore.

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They're not going to look for the government for those subsidies anymore.

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They're tired of being told what they can and can't grow.

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And this book isn't really even for big agriculture.

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It's really for small ag.

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It's for my homesteader.

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It's for the person who's on the fence, who doesn't see a way that they can ever have chickens, because I'll never be able to afford that feed.

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um but the big ag is taken to this they're looking at this like why am i why am i continuing to do

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the same old thing i got a declining dollar i've got the government telling me what i can and can't

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grow because they don't want to spend that money on the subsidy um it just it's it's a bleak look

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for the farmer right now um and especially you know when we need to i'm sorry go ahead go ahead

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no, I was like, we need 10 million more. And you know what I mean? That's like,

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it's a hard sell. It's a hard sell.

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It is. And it's, it's something I've talked to at least one about is, you know,

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why not take a five or a 10, 20 acre portion and, you know,

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kind of split that out and, and start, make a start, see what you can do. Right.

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I mean,

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you're not talking about a game changer with that small piece of land when

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you're managing, you know, a thousand acres. Right. But you know,

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And then you come into, you know, I mean, one of the things I think a lot of them, it becomes very difficult is the government contracts are, they're longer term and they include penalties for changing, right?

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So, you know, and that's a tough one.

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So I think part of this, hopefully we'll see more of this as the years go by and those contracts start coming up.

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People shortening their acreage.

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and starting to build out more regenerative agriculture on,

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my hope would be heirloom, but that might be a stretch at this point,

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but at least growing food that they can market.

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They can market themselves and they can make can make that uh contract with other people between themselves Right

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Correct.

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And, and, and that's, and that's kind of a, um, well, I mean, if you, if you look at

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some of these people, what they're doing is they're a lot of them are getting into these

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like systems um systems like um like there was a gentleman i just saw recently on twitter he

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he grows nectarines right so he grows an entire field of these nectarines and um the company is

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telling him you know they're they're basically shutting him down they're shutting him down

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just take all these nectarines i need you to just destroy it and he's you know he's selling this

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stuff and then they're they're saying no we're going to take it to court for breach of contract

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so i think a lot of these things are you know just like everything else nowadays it's uh

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it's corporate driven government subsidized government enforced um and it doesn't give

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these people even a way out like they can't just take like five or ten acres off their property and

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say hey listen this is mine i'm gonna they've all that stuff's in place and they are they're

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kind of stuck with you know what they got yeah that then the other end of the spectrum you're

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fighting against the people that are probably frustrated have been doing it for a long time

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and they're like all right this developer is going to dangle his carrot in front of me

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i'll take their money and run with it and then they don't even want to do the farming thing anymore

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yes and that's a million houses next to you yeah we and we can't we can't really afford to lose

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those farmers right i can't afford to lose those farmers i can't afford to lose that farmland

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um yeah you know that's uh it's it's a lot of a lot of money it's a lot of food and now we

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now a lot of the food we get um you know gets imported and you know we have all we have the

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resources we have everything here but we just want the farmers you know and then you get into

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you know, what, um, you know, just doing the small agriculture, how much that actually will help.

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Um, I think that that actually is a great supplement for the loss of the large ag. If I can get, you

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know, four or five homesteaders or even just some market farmers, right. Just some people, you know,

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that'll do, you know, 500 chickens in their, in their, you know, 10 acre yard and, um, you know,

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take those to market, uh, that's, that's super huge. Yeah, it is. And so it's, it's interesting

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too. You know, you, you hit on that, uh, we export a lot of this stuff. We import a lot of,

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of food as well. And it's, it's always been interesting to me. I mean, we have the capability

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to grow all the food we could ever need for, for, you know, this particular country and probably

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still export food. Uh, but the way things are set up, you know, we're, you know, beholden to,

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you know, so many tons of soy going out the door and so many tons of corn going out the door. And,

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you know, of course now they've got the fuel subsidies with corn, right? Ethanol,

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you know, and then you've got, you know, the, the, you know, corn syrup is,

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well, I mean, it's basically in everything. So, you know, it's interesting how we set these up

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for global trade, but at the expense of the local people.

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Yeah, I agree.

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Yeah, I do.

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So one of the things we were talking about yesterday I thought was really cool, right,

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is, you know, we've been on this topic a number of times,

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is the increasing amount of subscription everything, right?

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And you were talking about now tractors having subscription services to them.

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And, um, yeah, I mean, yeah, what is going on?

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I mean, and they have the, right.

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And they have the cameras on everything.

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Um, and, and I think that that's, you know, when you turn that, you have that ability

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to turn off, you don't, you don't own that.

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You know what I mean?

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You can, if I can, if you can turn it off, you don't own it.

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You're, if they tell you, Hey, listen, I don't want you to, I don't want you to, to, to do

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this part of your field and they can just shut your tractor off.

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you don't own that tractor and and i i really think that

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there's a really hard look at these kind of things like people are looking for the old tractors right

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they're looking for that old stuff and i was even i was talking to you there's a

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a company it's out of alberta canada um just north of where i'm at and it is um

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it has just mechanical stuff.

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There's no computers in it.

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It's just a mechanical tractor.

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And it's because people want out.

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They want,

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they want out of that John Deere thing where,

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you know,

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they get to tell you like,

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Oh,

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you can,

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you can repair it,

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but you going to need this special tool And that going to I mean and then there these parts that are licensed and all those things kind of factor into that Um that why people are going back to the old stuff

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They're getting back to the old tractors. They're looking for it.

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Those things are a high commodity. Um, you know,

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and a lot of the people I deal with are Amish. Um,

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they don't have any need for any of that kind of stuff anyways. Um, so

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I think that that is something that is that constant creep, that constant creep of,

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we're going to take this to the next level. And now I'm going to put cameras on there to make

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sure what you're, what you're doing on your tractor. And then I'm going to give you a

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you want air conditioning in that tractor. Well, that's going to cost another $19.95 a month.

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Right. And that's, and that's that growing creep. And that's in everything now. I mean,

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Like we were talking yesterday, it's, you know, you buy a new refrigerator and the subscription is ice.

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You want ice out of your little ice maker there?

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That's it.

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We pay a fee for that every month.

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That's a lose, you know, and nobody's going to go with that.

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And again, agorism has an opportunity there.

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We have a solution for that, right?

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I'm always looking for the counter economic way to get around that.

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Maybe it's an old model.

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Maybe it's a like this tractor company.

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They're like, we don't want that.

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So we're going to make our own thing.

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And that's going to look like this.

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The problem with that really relies in how far the government wants to enforce this.

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Right.

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So if they're saying, listen, it's just like the cameras everywhere.

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The government says, hey, listen, we're going to do these cameras.

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There's more complicated to get it to go the other direction.

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Well, you could just be like the antiflop movement and, you know, just chop them off at the limb.

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Cut them off. Yeah.

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Bye-bye.

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It's worth my entertainment.

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And so on a scale, I would say probably, you know, maybe 70 acres or lower. I think that's a great thing, right? But when you start looking at, you know, large plot agriculture, right? You know, you start to look at it and there is a tradeoff here, right? Removing all the technology is great.

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But if you're spending three days out in the field, you know, harvesting on a combine and you don't have a GPS system, you know, what do your lines start to look like at that point?

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And, you know, what's your efficiency on the field and, you know, things of that nature?

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I know we used to do it, but I feel like that's probably a long gone technique of how people used to actually manage that.

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What are your thoughts on that?

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Yeah, and you're absolutely right.

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No, you're absolutely right. And there's definitely a lot more like modern things that you can do, even as a market farmer, right? So when I think of market farmer, I'm thinking someone that is, let's say I deal in cattle. For me, I'm a poultry person.

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So that market farmer might need a little bit more acres.

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If I have a grazing animal or something like that.

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And I think that that market farmer, he might actually just take his – I mean, I'm sorry.

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I kind of lost my train of thought here, which happens to me every once in a while.

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It's all right.

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But I think that the market farmer, I think, is the one that I'm more concerned about than maybe like even your homesteader.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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I'm not really the person that's actually making the trade.

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Yeah.

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Well, a lot of homesteaders do that as well.

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You know, I mean, I.

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They do.

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Yes.

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And I'm happy for that.

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Yeah.

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Out here, I've traded chicken, you know, freezer camp chicken for freezer camp rabbits and, you know, tomatoes for eggplants and you name it, right?

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So it's one of those things.

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Yes.

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People in that community, they're happy to, right?

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I've got an abundance.

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I can't eat all this stuff.

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I've put up all I need to.

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Now what do I do, right?

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Start feeding it to my animals, I guess.

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But you can't just feed one thing to animals.

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They need, you know, balanced nutrition. So you start looking for people that are like-minded and next thing you know, you're organizing a trade or like you said, the, you know, the, the ladies group, right? Maybe one of them, you know, made an Afghan and, you know, the other ones, you know, a pottery person or something. And, oh, Hey, I really like this, you know, set you made. Would you be willing to trade an Afghan for that? Oh, heck yeah. Here you go.

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you know and people do this in their daily lives they hear these words and yes you know they hear

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the concept behind it and they think oh that's not good and then you just just think about your life

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when was the last time you traded something with someone else and and didn't like report it

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isn't that essentially what we've been doing for ages like all the way back like just bartering with people

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Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And it comes off as like some radical idea, right? Like this is some radical idea that before we had, you know, almost like pre-colonial America, that there were people just trading.

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they were just they did sans government right i don't doesn't need a participation it just needs

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um a face a handshake um it needs it needs a partner you need to be make make a trade

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um but it is it's basically just what we probably do every day anyways raccoons or fox come in and

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and seeing 70 carcasses the next morning and you know things of that nature you know and you're just

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like, I don't, why, you know, but you, you know, it's like everything else, you know,

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it's a failure. Yes. It's, it's a learning experience and it's a way to, you know, figure

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out what to shore up, what to change and do that iterative, you know, a thing to bolster

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their defense, right. To make sure maybe this won't happen again. And then the owls will

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come in and then you'd fix that.

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you know it's a never ending it's a never ending battle it is which i mean i i totally understand

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that i also had a i had a big loss this year um you know protocols broken um it's just uh you

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know you have a big loss and you you know you kind of you think about it you learn from it um i've

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been doing this for 11 years. So, um, and you know, we even in 11 years into this still, you

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know, have those kinds of problems, you know, and you, there's no way around it. You know, we have,

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um, even with, uh, like meat chickens, which are just basic, very easy, very easy to raise. I mean,

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they pretty much take care of themselves. Um, you know, you still lose those as well. I mean,

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they'll just they just die which which which breed do you do for those do you do the cornish or do

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you use like the red rangers or so um have traditionally done the um the cornish uh just

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it's it's it's size matters right um but i've that's that's been a learning curve you really

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have to watch the cornish the rangers a little bit um a little bit better when it comes to kind

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figuring out your harvesting you know what i mean like it's i've i've had my my i've had him too big

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i've had him too small um with the cornish cross but the red rangers work out real well yeah it's

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really really weird people myself included to look like look at a gigantic chicken a broiler

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and go nope that's something no i don't know what what that is but that's too big you know

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i'd rather see i remember this i'd rather see a four pound one myself and just be like perfect

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then then some of these like eight pound i'm like what is that that's like half turkey or something

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no it's a corn issue yes and then that's a mistake bird right like you like you're not

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supposed to grow them that big in fact at that point you've probably got all kinds of leg issues

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and um it's just not good for the bird uh but for us we we've learned our lesson i mean i've

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I've grown the nine pound birds and it's terrible.

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Like it's such a mistake.

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And then I've grown the birds where maybe I probably didn't get the feed

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right the first time.

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And so they were too small.

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They were kind of scrawny.

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But we've,

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we've gotten like to the right place and,

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but you have to really hit it right on the spot with the Cornish cross or

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they're a little too big or a little too small,

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but there's like that one little window where they're just right.

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With the red Rangers,

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you can kind of just kind of track and like,

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eh,

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we'll do you next week.

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Yeah.

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So.

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So do you.

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What kind of chickens do you usually get at the grocery store or that stuff?

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So you're probably getting a Cornish cross.

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Is that what they are?

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You're probably getting a Cornish cross.

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It is.

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It's your regular genetically modified bird that-

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Got the gigantic breasts on it.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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That is the thing.

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And they grow out really fast.

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I can grow one out and probably-

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I'll harvest you one of those little four-pound birds in about five weeks.

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Wow.

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That's quick.

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Yeah, right?

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So it's super fast.

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And when I go to put them in their little cone, that's a full grown bird.

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You wouldn't think in five weeks you had that big of a bird, but you do.

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Some of these things look like my layers.

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Oh, yeah.

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We grew out our first round turkeys.

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We went with broad breasted mammoths.

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Never again.

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Never again.

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So this was the year they did that whole, like, I don't know, stupidity and closed down all of the local processors.

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And it was only the big ones and I'm calling places up and they're like, yeah, we can get you in in like six or seven months.

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And I'm like, you got to be kidding me.

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Like, I'm not equipped to deal with these monstrous birds.

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My kill cone isn even like their neck might fit in there you know and I like what am I going to do with these things So we found they reversed the rules and put them in but because they had been left for so long

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what we came back with was, was monster birds. I mean, they're really good. I thought, uh, but

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they were 36 pounds dressed. And I'm, I'm like, we had people telling us like, I can't even put

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that in my oven like my oven does not physically fit that bird yeah i know what are you gonna do

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with it right i mean and you know it's um it's just not good for the bird either

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no they were having trouble walking we were getting to our wits end about ready to just

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start doing them ourselves but that also meant plucking manually which if you've ever done that

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before i promise you there is one job you'll never want to do again i promise you that's correct

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that's one of those jobs that we talked about before where like we can do it better now

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than the old traditional way yeah that's one of them right nobody wants to do that like

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plucking that thing and dipping in the hot water oh no yeah yeah yeah sometimes technology is a

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really good thing right i mean like i like ac i think i'd like to keep that around you know

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Yes, yes, yes. Well, you know, that's funny, though, because I've got these Amish farmers, man, and they're using a horse. And these these fields are as tight as some of these ones that are on these like these beautiful, you know, million dollar tractors.

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and these rows and this guy's just he's trying to get a horse to go in a straight line while he's

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you know doing the tilty thing and and it doesn't look good either i mean these guys are fighting

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this horse wanting to go and it's you know um but i mean i i would prefer to be on a tractor myself

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so yeah you know my wife my wife's uh family is from pennsylvania so uh and and right in like

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Amish country. In fact, across the street was an Amish farm. So, you know, got plenty of, of times

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viewing them out there and, you know, plowing and, and bailing and doing all this stuff.

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Oh yeah.

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And it's like, man, they are putting in work. I mean, it's, it's, it's a whole different ball

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game when you're bailing hay and you've got a wagon on the back with like eight people on it.

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It's a whole different ball game from a bailer being towed behind the one guy in a tractor.

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It really is.

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You're not wrong.

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That is totally right.

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I bet they sleep good at night, though.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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No phones to distract you.

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No alarm clocks to go off.

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True.

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And these guys are the masters of agorism.

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I mean, they have networks of, and they're trading.

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We trade our labor.

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If you have a job, we trade our labor for fiat.

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That's what we do, right?

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These guys will trade labor for just for a trade of labor next time.

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Yep.

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Right.

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They're not they're not worried about.

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But they also don't worry about the government.

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They prefer to just, you know, do their thing and they'll appease the government.

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But not always, you know, they're they're doing the things that they probably shouldn't on their own property.

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They'll dig a well.

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They're not going to call and get any permits.

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I'm not going to get permission to put a well on their own property.

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So they're already they're the masters of this already.

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So they they kind of do their thing.

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They don't deal a lot.

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What they deal with with the they call the English with with us out here is mainly just their excess.

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and then if you if you make good friends with them like i i'll teach them how to grow mushrooms

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right so i do a class where i'll you know i have another guy that lives next to me here and we

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do like uh mushrooms every year so we'll make these uh big columns and we'll do mushrooms and

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then the amish come over and i'm showing them how to cultivate mushrooms as well and they can do

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this. It's not hard. Um, so when you, when you get in with them like that, the, they're, they'll

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allow you to, to trade with them, to, to barter with them, to bargain with them. Um, it's in a

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limited setting, but they'll still allow you in. So once you're in, you kind of, you know, as long

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as you don't mess it all up, you're in and the, um, but their network is deep. It goes states deep,

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right there the pennsylvania ohio um all these places they they all the way down in kentucky

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oh yeah they they all have big networks of like how they trade maybe it's maybe it's uh the the

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people up in northern ohio they they make metal works um they might trade with the people in

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pennsylvania for um they make wag they make wheels you know they they specialized in you know their little cartwheels So they they completely circumvent the government on everything that they possibly can um admirable it is and they also a really high trust society

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and and it bleeds out even to the english right it does um an example would be my wife went and

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we were i didn't go this time she went up there and she found a mailbox she really wanted a little

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Amish barn looking mailbox, you know, handcrafted, everything. Nice, nice little thing.

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And she's like, you know, OK. And she's like, and how much do I owe you? He goes, I'll send you,

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you know, the bill with the mailbox. She's like, what? He's like, yeah, I'll just send you the

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mailbox. The bill will be in there. Just, you know, write us a check or whatever. OK. I mean,

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how many how many shops do you think you can walk into, order something? They'll ship it to you with

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the bill inside of it so you can pay for the item that they just handcrafted that they shipped to

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you they don't they don't know you from adam you know what i mean right so it's kind of and if you

402
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if you stole from them you know they might but they're they won't they won't pursue you they

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they're very very pacifist in that way they would just forgive you and move on um

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Of course, you're done.

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We're not doing any trades with you any longer, which is totally understandable as well.

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I mean, but they what they do and how they do it.

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And a very it's very organized.

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And the way that they even just down to their farming, it's very organized.

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It's very their labor is organized.

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Everything's organized.

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And it's something that I see and I watch because it's something that I'd like to kind of help other people do that see that lifestyle as something that's plain and traditional, but it's very intentional.

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And it's very, there's a lot of consistency and continuity in it, you know?

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Yeah. So looking at this beautiful book, let's get it, let's get it up there. There it is. There's the book. What were some of your favorite parts to write in this?

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oh that's a good question um

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so i like some of the scenarios so i went through um

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i i talked to farmers every day so i would put them through scenarios of

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different things that i would just brainstorm i would just write down

418
00:34:09,904 --> 00:34:15,904
And one of the things that I had noticed on one of your messages to me was something about solar grazing.

419
00:34:16,964 --> 00:34:20,104
And that's something that I've actually seen here locally.

420
00:34:20,624 --> 00:34:31,984
But those kind of things are those potential things, those things that somebody is going to look at and say, I can take action on that.

421
00:34:32,084 --> 00:34:32,724
I can do that.

422
00:34:33,204 --> 00:34:34,144
I can do that.

423
00:34:36,184 --> 00:34:37,884
And there's a lot of that in the book.

424
00:34:37,884 --> 00:35:03,684
There's a lot of the scenarios like, hey, this is what you can do, or you can do this, or this is a thing. And I feel like that part of the book, those parts of the book, I feel like just rereading it a few times, those are the parts of the book where I feel like I put in the most excitement to what I was writing.

425
00:35:03,684 --> 00:35:20,924
Right. So everything else is just kind of it's very structured. I started the book with kind of the definition of what agorism is. Right. So what it's about, what it is, because it's the thing on the front of the cover that people are opening the book to figure out what is this.

426
00:35:20,924 --> 00:35:29,204
um and i think that when you look at the inside of the book you're looking at um

427
00:35:29,204 --> 00:35:38,004
those aspects of what is agorism and then what you can do right it's the action part

428
00:35:38,004 --> 00:35:42,684
and i think that that's that's kind of what i would those are my favorite parts of the book is

429
00:35:42,684 --> 00:35:49,504
the is that action that you can do this you can you can trade your your stuff for crypto you know

430
00:35:49,504 --> 00:35:53,464
I've already set up people's crypto wallets, just talking to them.

431
00:35:55,464 --> 00:35:58,544
What's Xeno? What's Fero? I don't understand.

432
00:35:59,344 --> 00:36:02,484
We'll talk about it. I'll take the phone out.

433
00:36:02,544 --> 00:36:04,724
We'll put it into terms you can understand.

434
00:36:06,304 --> 00:36:12,644
That's a lot of the agricultural community, again, because people in the agorism community, they know that.

435
00:36:12,764 --> 00:36:16,484
They know about cryptocurrencies and they know about what it is.

436
00:36:16,484 --> 00:36:18,684
It's that agricultural community.

437
00:36:18,684 --> 00:36:19,864
It's that small ag.

438
00:36:20,964 --> 00:36:22,364
And some of these people are doing it.

439
00:36:23,084 --> 00:36:33,560
Some people are taking that action And the keyboard warriors also need to get an action Yeah for sure And the cool thing about the crypto piece is you you you drop your transaction fees from like

440
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,300
you know,

441
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:41,240
two and a half to 5% or whatever they are down to like 0.03 of a percent.

442
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,460
You know what I mean?

443
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:42,760
It's,

444
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:43,380
and it's,

445
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:44,200
it's instantaneous.

446
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,120
So Alex,

447
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:46,560
you had something.

448
00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:47,540
No,

449
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,180
I was just going to ask who is the book geared more towards people that have,

450
00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:56,400
you know, thousands or hundreds of acres, or is it geared towards the smaller guy or is it

451
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,740
something for everybody in there? There's something for everybody in there. Um,

452
00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:08,060
you want to grow some micro greens in your, in your living room, but you can do that. You can do

453
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:15,440
that. You can trade that. You can use that to your advantage. Um, this is, this is for anybody,

454
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:23,740
Anybody that wants to, you know, get a piece of the game, get some sovereignty, you know, have something in, you know, that's tangible.

455
00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:33,280
But I think I think the homesteader and the market farmer is kind of who I put this to.

456
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:44,540
And the people who are on the fence, I don't know how many people say, you know, I want to I'd really like to move out to the country and just get some chickens or I'd like to have like, you know, a couple of sheep in my backyard.

457
00:37:44,540 --> 00:37:47,860
or just kind of keep the, keep the weeds down or it's,

458
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,420
it's those people I'm talking to.

459
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,540
It's the people that are sitting behind the keyboard thinking, you know,

460
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,840
I would do this, but I don't know where to even start.

461
00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:02,720
Or the guy living in Florida with like half a dozen chickens in his backyard

462
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:03,600
or something.

463
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:05,060
Yeah, no, yeah.

464
00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:06,320
People are surprised.

465
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:09,800
I've only got a quarter acre here in the, you know,

466
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,260
we've got the white vinyl fence and people are actually kind of surprised what

467
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:14,000
we get behind there.

468
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,700
We got, you know, half a dozen chickens and we try to grow as much as we can.

469
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,580
And it's limited by the climate here.

470
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:23,900
But, you know, we do the best we can with what we have.

471
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:30,120
It would be nice if, you know, we could trade with other people that have other things that we don't have.

472
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,200
But, you know, I'm kind of working towards that goal.

473
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:34,880
Right.

474
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:36,280
And that's it.

475
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,500
You're working towards that goal.

476
00:38:37,580 --> 00:38:38,800
That's the action, right?

477
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:46,220
but I think that just the six chickens in your backyard that's great that's that's the start

478
00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:53,940
right that's you know I watched a lot of the when I got started I watched a lot of like Joel Salatin

479
00:38:53,940 --> 00:39:00,920
Justin Rhodes these guys that were you know they were really doing the homestead like these guys

480
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,960
had like 50 chickens I mean Joel I mean Joel Salatin's got this huge they do 3,000 chickens

481
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:14,860
on their, you know, farm every year. And, um, so that seemed overwhelming. Um, and it,

482
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,560
it doesn't have to be like, it just six chickens is a great start. And that's a good thing.

483
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,700
Like for your family, for just, if you just were just on your own, if you're just on your own,

484
00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:32,380
you just have six chickens. That's great. Um, I mean, with a quarter acre, gosh, I think of so

485
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:36,660
many things i could do with a quarter acre i mean i i would i mean you could probably raise

486
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:42,780
like meat chickens on a quarter acre just thinking about it just in a you know um yeah you could

487
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:48,380
smaller scale maybe do 25 in a chicken tractor move it around in a chicken tractor move it around

488
00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:54,500
yeah around the yard a little bit we're limited we're only allowed to have six so that you know

489
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:57,080
If you follow the law.

490
00:39:58,420 --> 00:39:58,940
Right?

491
00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:03,840
Well, we can't have roosters either because I'm sure we'd get ticketed for roosters.

492
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,360
Oh, gosh.

493
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:05,580
Right.

494
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:09,600
Well, and the thing is, these are very, very young, very young chickens.

495
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,500
I bet no one would even know that you had those chickens in your backyard.

496
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:16,340
And we are talking about agorism here.

497
00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:18,320
We're talking free markets here.

498
00:40:18,940 --> 00:40:22,880
And, you know, I mean, I'm a big fan of Robert Heinlein.

499
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,100
And he just says, you know, I don't like your rules.

500
00:40:25,220 --> 00:40:25,960
I'm going to break them.

501
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,180
If I agree with them, sure, I'll follow your rules.

502
00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:35,260
But, you know, I think that, you know, but the government doesn't know.

503
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:44,780
I think the biggest thing for us is, I mean, my wife was raised more rurally, but they didn't really raise chickens for me.

504
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,340
They had laying hens, but I don't have a mentor or anybody to shadow or learn from.

505
00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:53,080
So it's a pretty big learning curve there.

506
00:40:53,340 --> 00:40:58,300
And like you said, the death thing, if you're not used to it, it's kind of something to get used to.

507
00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:01,380
For me, that's probably the biggest and hardest part.

508
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:02,500
Where am I?

509
00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:09,280
Well, I mean, I go there to enjoy your company, not to, you know, do the whole chicken thing.

510
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:10,680
We're talking right now.

511
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,440
We can do this.

512
00:41:11,540 --> 00:41:12,880
It doesn't have to be in person.

513
00:41:13,420 --> 00:41:16,100
Well, it's hard to do it over the internet, I think.

514
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,260
We'll do freezer camp one winter or something when you come out.

515
00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:21,660
Teach my wife.

516
00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:23,040
That's a great idea.

517
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,420
I just don't, I don't know.

518
00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:25,460
I have a hard time with it.

519
00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:27,520
She does not have as hard a time with it.

520
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,100
It's just not my thing.

521
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:32,500
You know, like I'll care for them and raise them and feed them and stuff.

522
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:37,940
But when it comes time to do the slaughtering, it's just, I don't know, something for me personally.

523
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:39,960
But I mean, I understand it.

524
00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:41,957
I don't like, you know, think bad about it.

525
00:41:41,957 --> 00:41:44,757
I don't not eat meat, but it's just, you know, for me.

526
00:41:45,057 --> 00:41:46,157
Well, I'll mentor her.

527
00:41:46,957 --> 00:41:47,417
There you go.

528
00:41:47,497 --> 00:41:50,817
She can do the calling and you can just pretend that they came from the store.

529
00:41:51,357 --> 00:41:51,877
That's right.

530
00:41:54,077 --> 00:41:56,977
But I'll tell you what, you'll not have better chicken.

531
00:41:57,117 --> 00:41:57,337
Yeah.

532
00:41:57,337 --> 00:42:01,797
You know, that stuff in the store, those, you know, I mean, that's, it is amazing.

533
00:42:03,377 --> 00:42:05,357
But it's, and it's not for everybody.

534
00:42:05,557 --> 00:42:09,937
And that's why there's, there's more than one aspect to this, right?

535
00:42:09,937 --> 00:42:13,957
There's, there's, um, it's agriculture in a complete way.

536
00:42:14,077 --> 00:42:17,857
You know, if, um, if you're not into the animal farming, like I'm an animal farmer.

537
00:42:17,857 --> 00:42:23,397
So, um, but a lot of the people around me are, are, they grow, they, they grow for five

538
00:42:23,397 --> 00:42:25,877
minutes out of the year, six minutes out of the year, and then they're done.

539
00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:28,757
And then next year they start all over again.

540
00:42:28,757 --> 00:42:31,037
And, um, we're an animal farmer.

541
00:42:31,137 --> 00:42:33,057
It's all the time, all year long.

542
00:42:33,377 --> 00:42:37,697
Um, whatever you got, you know, you've got pigs, you're, you're, you know, you've got

543
00:42:37,697 --> 00:42:39,417
to make sure your pigs are warm most, you know?

544
00:42:39,417 --> 00:42:59,497
So there's a lot of responsibility to it. I don't expect everybody to be into that. You know what I mean? My goal for my farm is to be an educational farm, is to kind of help people like you take that next step over that, right? So it takes away all the stigma. You get to watch and participate if you'd like.

545
00:42:59,497 --> 00:43:03,057
but I have a lot of people that want to take that extra step

546
00:43:03,057 --> 00:43:06,257
take that next step they're concerned what their family is eating

547
00:43:06,257 --> 00:43:09,637
and that's you know right people are concerned

548
00:43:09,637 --> 00:43:12,177
they don't want to eat the genetically modified

549
00:43:12,177 --> 00:43:13,657
they don't even know what's in the food anymore

550
00:43:13,657 --> 00:43:18,117
I probably don't want to know what's in that chicken that you get at Sam's Club

551
00:43:18,117 --> 00:43:21,237
or whatever I'm sure there's all kinds of

552
00:43:21,237 --> 00:43:24,857
nastiness to it. It's been bleach blasted

553
00:43:24,857 --> 00:43:27,257
at least a dozen times you know

554
00:43:27,257 --> 00:43:29,917
So, I mean, that is for sure.

555
00:43:30,277 --> 00:43:35,137
And it's probably been plumped up with some, you know, some brine as well.

556
00:43:35,337 --> 00:43:43,777
You know, they like to inject a little extra weight in there, get the water percentage up and, you know, makes for a juicier chicken.

557
00:43:43,777 --> 00:43:47,917
But it's also questionable as to what is actually in that brine, right?

558
00:43:47,977 --> 00:43:49,457
For us, it would be salt and water.

559
00:43:49,877 --> 00:43:52,357
For them, I don't know, you know.

560
00:43:53,317 --> 00:43:55,917
But you guys grow a ton of vegetables.

561
00:43:55,917 --> 00:44:04,257
I mean, that would be a thing where you, you know, a few more raised beds and you'd have capacity to trade possibly.

562
00:44:04,697 --> 00:44:05,097
Right.

563
00:44:05,137 --> 00:44:08,617
And then next thing you know, your wife grows beautiful tomatoes, by the way.

564
00:44:09,417 --> 00:44:11,937
We're still on the soil building road.

565
00:44:12,157 --> 00:44:14,557
So, you know, at least with the chickens, we can make our compost.

566
00:44:14,877 --> 00:44:19,497
And, you know, we haven't had to buy fertilizer in a while and get a little compost pile going.

567
00:44:19,597 --> 00:44:20,617
So, I mean, we're getting there.

568
00:44:21,917 --> 00:44:22,277
Right.

569
00:44:22,417 --> 00:44:24,277
And that's just about being resourceful, right?

570
00:44:24,277 --> 00:44:30,577
that's and that is one of the huge things that's one of the things i love about

571
00:44:30,577 --> 00:44:37,837
for us you know having all of the livestock is we've just got tons of manure right and then of

572
00:44:37,837 --> 00:44:42,877
course we've got plenty of leaf litter and you know grass clippings and everything else as well

573
00:44:42,877 --> 00:44:48,657
as our food waste that doesn't go to the chickens goes into compost and and next thing you know your

574
00:44:48,657 --> 00:44:55,097
fertilizer bill is zero, you know, now you might have, you know, some areas where you've got to

575
00:44:55,097 --> 00:44:59,977
supplement, right? Like blueberries aren't going to do well with, with chicken or livestock manure,

576
00:44:59,977 --> 00:45:06,797
but you know, for the most part, your, your bill goes way, way down, if not to zero on fertilizer.

577
00:45:07,057 --> 00:45:11,697
And that's, that's a huge thing. And that's that regenerative agriculture, you know,

578
00:45:11,697 --> 00:45:18,417
And the more you don't waste your waste, I guess, right?

579
00:45:18,557 --> 00:45:20,537
Keep it in that loop.

580
00:45:20,857 --> 00:45:24,637
Put it back into that cycle and use it again, right?

581
00:45:27,157 --> 00:45:28,237
I think that's good.

582
00:45:28,237 --> 00:45:30,237
We were digging through some of the beds the other day.

583
00:45:30,297 --> 00:45:34,977
My wife was so excited because she was seeing actually worms for the first time in Florida.

584
00:45:35,117 --> 00:45:36,437
We don't really have that.

585
00:45:36,497 --> 00:45:37,237
We have sand.

586
00:45:37,657 --> 00:45:40,817
So she was super excited that we were seeing that.

587
00:45:40,817 --> 00:45:41,077
That's great.

588
00:45:41,077 --> 00:45:42,017
That's soil building.

589
00:45:42,537 --> 00:45:43,217
Oh, yeah.

590
00:45:43,557 --> 00:45:45,017
Now, they've got beautiful gardens.

591
00:45:45,137 --> 00:45:45,737
They really do.

592
00:45:47,217 --> 00:45:47,917
Thank you.

593
00:45:48,177 --> 00:45:49,357
It's a really nice setup.

594
00:45:49,677 --> 00:46:01,357
For being on a quarter acre, they've made a really, really efficient utilization of space and, you know, kind of set up a really nice place where they can, you know, grow a good amount of food.

595
00:46:01,357 --> 00:46:12,257
And, you know, of course the chickens and, you know, taking the, you know, the inputs and putting them back in, you know, is just a huge thing.

596
00:46:13,097 --> 00:46:14,677
So you even grow pineapples.

597
00:46:14,677 --> 00:46:14,957
Yeah, absolutely.

598
00:46:15,297 --> 00:46:15,977
I wish I could grow pineapples.

599
00:46:15,977 --> 00:46:17,677
I just harvested a pineapple today.

600
00:46:18,117 --> 00:46:18,857
A little one.

601
00:46:19,157 --> 00:46:19,417
Get out.

602
00:46:19,637 --> 00:46:20,237
Still, yeah.

603
00:46:21,637 --> 00:46:23,357
Squirrels are the biggest enemy of pineapples.

604
00:46:24,377 --> 00:46:24,697
Oh.

605
00:46:26,257 --> 00:46:26,697
Right?

606
00:46:27,357 --> 00:46:27,597
Yeah.

607
00:46:28,017 --> 00:46:29,317
We have a lot of those.

608
00:46:29,317 --> 00:46:34,517
but i mean we can't grow them anyway because it's like an 18 month cycle there's no possible way

609
00:46:34,517 --> 00:46:41,777
that thing's going to live through our winter oh gosh we had them die back this last year but then

610
00:46:41,777 --> 00:46:57,233
they came back they like kind of died to the ground but then they popped back up yeah yeah so in your in your practice you said you do a lot of teaching and so you you run a farm and what the name of the farm again

611
00:46:58,693 --> 00:47:09,313
I'm a zero box farms. Um, so my, I mean, we're, I'm just a small, small hobby farm. Um, and my

612
00:47:09,313 --> 00:47:15,973
main focus is poultry. Um, we do meat chickens here, but my goal, um, is to be more educational.

613
00:47:15,973 --> 00:47:33,733
Um, I, my goals for, uh, 2027 is to, um, turn us into a 501 C3, um, and then, um, become more educational, um, and be able to show people different aspects of, of, of farming, right?

614
00:47:33,733 --> 00:47:36,533
It doesn't always have to be just the one aspect, right?

615
00:47:36,573 --> 00:47:45,693
I think, um, there's so many people that there's so many needs outside of just putting a plant in a ground or, you know, you know, raising a chick or anything like that.

616
00:47:45,693 --> 00:48:01,133
But there's – Alex, if you – for example, if you grow a nice garden and you have extra starts, right, those extra starts are as good as anything you probably can grow in the ground, right?

617
00:48:01,473 --> 00:48:08,813
So there's so many other things that people need and that don't have to but that can be around agriculture.

618
00:48:10,833 --> 00:48:11,993
What state are you in, Jeff?

619
00:48:12,033 --> 00:48:13,473
I don't think we asked you that yet.

620
00:48:13,693 --> 00:48:14,493
I'm in Ohio.

621
00:48:14,733 --> 00:48:15,393
Oh, OK.

622
00:48:15,693 --> 00:48:24,973
yeah i'm in ohio i'm like right dead center of ohio um lots of amish um in fact if i just uh

623
00:48:24,973 --> 00:48:33,333
just generally speaking i have it's probably 75 just surrounding me at this point so yeah and

624
00:48:33,333 --> 00:48:39,673
that's the other direction is kind of starts or starts are a tradable item and i mean for real

625
00:48:39,673 --> 00:48:44,053
right i mean you go down to the store and buy a start it's going to cost you they're expensive

626
00:48:44,053 --> 00:48:51,493
yeah so if you plant a few extra seeds and grow some starts and then there you go there's an easy

627
00:48:51,493 --> 00:48:58,813
way to do it with very little effort to be honest with you my wife is the best at starts well there

628
00:48:58,813 --> 00:49:04,753
you go have her double the starts and start uh you know talking to people that that want them

629
00:49:04,753 --> 00:49:12,233
you know instead of going over there where you're getting gmo neonicotinoid sprayed garbage you know

630
00:49:12,233 --> 00:49:17,713
I'll give you this beautiful, healthy plant that's been raised without chemical inputs.

631
00:49:19,673 --> 00:49:22,073
It's just a huge market out there for that.

632
00:49:22,173 --> 00:49:23,593
A huge market.

633
00:49:24,213 --> 00:49:38,533
And I think that sometimes those things are overlooked, even within the agricultural field, that the small, small, small things, the little intangibles, like they, they just, they stand out when they need to.

634
00:49:38,533 --> 00:49:46,673
Right. Like if you're at the farmer's market and it's it's May and you see a table full of starts, I'm stopping.

635
00:49:46,973 --> 00:49:50,133
Right. I'm going to stop. I'm going to take a look.

636
00:49:50,133 --> 00:50:04,633
So there's there's more than just just that, you know, that maybe the chicken, that the person that's not does not see themselves being a farmer or, you know, having a homestead, even they can still do it, too.

637
00:50:04,633 --> 00:50:10,153
yeah worm bins are another idea right and you can make some that's a great idea absolutely

638
00:50:10,153 --> 00:50:16,753
yep oh yeah amazing soil and you can also take the liquid that comes from them and it's it's a

639
00:50:16,753 --> 00:50:23,673
power power boost i mean that stuff will make stuff grow like crazy and it doesn't even take

640
00:50:23,673 --> 00:50:30,273
that much room to make you know several gallons of this stuff every year so and the soil that

641
00:50:30,273 --> 00:50:35,273
comes out of it and you're just getting rid of your food scraps so it's kind of like you're just

642
00:50:35,273 --> 00:50:44,013
winning it's a win yeah all over the place yeah yes right and i think that's and that's important

643
00:50:44,013 --> 00:50:53,313
and and again the the action behind it right like i want to make sure that that's kind of the

644
00:50:53,313 --> 00:51:00,253
the whole part of this is that you got to do it you know what i mean you got it you got to do it

645
00:51:00,253 --> 00:51:08,473
And so many people, they'll tell me like, I was going to do it, but I just don't see a way for me to get to that point.

646
00:51:08,513 --> 00:51:11,193
Or I don't have a farm or I could never do that.

647
00:51:11,373 --> 00:51:15,053
Or maybe they're talking about it all the time, but they just haven't taken that next step.

648
00:51:15,313 --> 00:51:17,453
And I think that that's what I want.

649
00:51:17,553 --> 00:51:20,413
I want this to be about taking that next step.

650
00:51:20,873 --> 00:51:23,633
It's like getting that six chickens in your backyard.

651
00:51:23,913 --> 00:51:24,633
It's that step.

652
00:51:25,353 --> 00:51:28,193
It's the next step of whatever that looks like.

653
00:51:28,193 --> 00:51:35,993
Maybe it's market garden or maybe it's just a garden and I don't grow onions because I can't grow onions.

654
00:51:36,153 --> 00:51:40,853
So I just trade with my neighbor who can and I give them whatever I grow.

655
00:51:41,393 --> 00:51:45,873
Maybe I get garlic and they get onions and we swap and that's what that looks like.

656
00:51:46,373 --> 00:51:50,933
And everybody's better off that way and I can really build community that way.

657
00:51:50,933 --> 00:52:12,229
Yeah I always tell people that are kind of in that position or just regular old folks you can start with a five bucket and I would suggest a cherry tomato but take a five gallon bucket and a packet of cherry tomato seeds and put like three seeds in

658
00:52:12,229 --> 00:52:17,369
there and, and start out your cherry tomato. The reason I would suggest a cherry is because the

659
00:52:17,369 --> 00:52:22,489
slicers and everything else, they're a little more challenging. They, they, they tend to be

660
00:52:22,489 --> 00:52:28,669
a little bit more finicky, um, and, and they produce less, right? Bigger fruits, but less of

661
00:52:28,669 --> 00:52:33,509
them. The cherries are prolific. They'll just pop them out. Just keep popping them out for the entire

662
00:52:33,509 --> 00:52:39,189
season. And most people like cherry tomatoes on their salads, right? Or you could do grapes,

663
00:52:39,329 --> 00:52:44,149
but I prefer cherries. And there's a variety. I always tell people if you, if you want

664
00:52:44,149 --> 00:52:50,469
tomatoes forever, and I do mean this quite literally, get yourself some Chadwick cherry

665
00:52:50,469 --> 00:52:58,929
tomatoes. Chadwick is a prolific volunteer. Like my compost pile will turn into a patch,

666
00:52:59,389 --> 00:53:05,849
you know, 15 feet by 15 feet of nothing but Chadwick cherry tomatoes. We've gone out there

667
00:53:05,849 --> 00:53:10,809
and picked like three, five gallon buckets. I don't prune them. I don't water them. I don't

668
00:53:10,809 --> 00:53:16,269
touch them. For some reason, when they grow like that naturally too, we don't even get issues with

669
00:53:16,269 --> 00:53:23,489
the horned worms. They just, they just grow and thrive. And I mean, but anyway, you can put them

670
00:53:23,489 --> 00:53:28,869
in a five gallon bucket. You can grow a really beautiful tomato plant, food, food grade bucket,

671
00:53:29,389 --> 00:53:33,769
drill seven holes with a half inch drill bit on the bottom, right? Six around the outside,

672
00:53:33,869 --> 00:53:38,909
one in the center, fill it with one bag of soil, put those seeds in there, grow yourself a cherry,

673
00:53:38,909 --> 00:53:45,529
a cherry tomato plant. You do this and you're not doing much, but what you are doing is now

674
00:53:45,529 --> 00:53:49,609
you're eating food from your own garden, you're going to see what a real tomato actually tastes

675
00:53:49,609 --> 00:53:56,029
like. Because if you haven't ever had one off of a plant, I guarantee you, you won't recognize it

676
00:53:56,029 --> 00:54:01,969
from the store. You will never want to eat another store-bought tomato in your life. And I don't care

677
00:54:01,969 --> 00:54:08,469
if you got the beautiful, organic, wonderful, amazing, super expensive, it still will pale

678
00:54:08,469 --> 00:54:14,309
in comparison. And then you can have those fresh tomatoes on your salads for the season.

679
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:19,569
and now you've got to feel for what it takes and it's not that difficult once you get into the swing

680
00:54:19,569 --> 00:54:26,169
and start doing this stuff um and you know hey that's a hobby worth having right maybe next year

681
00:54:26,169 --> 00:54:31,309
you grow a few other things you know but it literally this is in the space of a five-gallon

682
00:54:31,309 --> 00:54:40,309
bucket you don't need more than a balcony good start i totally agree it is that is really i mean

683
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:51,929
And I think that what you're saying here is so – it really kind of wraps up my book.

684
00:54:52,169 --> 00:54:52,849
It really does.

685
00:54:54,509 --> 00:55:04,009
It talks about like your – once you've kind of started, then you're on your way.

686
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:04,709
Yeah.

687
00:55:04,809 --> 00:55:05,429
You know what I mean?

688
00:55:05,429 --> 00:55:07,829
Like you're, you're, you're going to look for the next thing.

689
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:09,669
Cause it's, it's instant reward.

690
00:55:09,669 --> 00:55:11,709
That cherry tomato is just like, it's there.

691
00:55:11,849 --> 00:55:12,949
It's that instant reward.

692
00:55:13,269 --> 00:55:13,629
Right.

693
00:55:13,689 --> 00:55:18,529
And we, we live in that age, um, of instant reward and not everything that I do is instant

694
00:55:18,529 --> 00:55:22,189
reward, but, um, there are those things that are like, that's nice.

695
00:55:22,249 --> 00:55:22,649
Right.

696
00:55:22,669 --> 00:55:23,029
That's it.

697
00:55:23,069 --> 00:55:24,669
That's, I can see it.

698
00:55:24,769 --> 00:55:25,209
It's tangible.

699
00:55:25,729 --> 00:55:26,089
Yeah.

700
00:55:26,149 --> 00:55:28,349
We have, you do make a point about it being different though.

701
00:55:28,369 --> 00:55:30,249
I mean, like the, the chicken eggs too.

702
00:55:30,269 --> 00:55:31,949
I can't eat store eggs anymore.

703
00:55:31,969 --> 00:55:33,429
They're kind of gross now to me.

704
00:55:33,449 --> 00:55:33,709
Oh yeah.

705
00:55:34,189 --> 00:55:34,549
Yeah.

706
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:40,589
oh yeah no way are they financially worth it like if you think about like you know you know

707
00:55:40,589 --> 00:55:45,349
a complete fiscal level no they're they're they're not you can buy them at the store way cheaper than

708
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:51,329
you can make them yourself but is it worth it in the end yes i think it is yeah and it also then

709
00:55:51,329 --> 00:55:56,749
also some of that depends on scale right it's going to be far more expensive to raise you know

710
00:55:56,749 --> 00:56:02,449
each individual chicken priced out for what you're putting into it with a half dozen when you get to

711
00:56:02,449 --> 00:56:08,249
50, all of a sudden that flips, you start to realize I am, I am now putting in less money

712
00:56:08,249 --> 00:56:13,669
on, on caring for these chickens than I am getting out from just eggs.

713
00:56:13,669 --> 00:56:19,609
Even if it's just layers, uh, it, it really does flip because, you know, 50 pound bag

714
00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:23,809
should last you a good, a good decent while for 50 chickens.

715
00:56:24,189 --> 00:56:30,849
And, uh, you know, you, you're talking, you know, when you're buying in bulk, you're talking

716
00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:37,309
about, you know, 10, 12 bucks a bag, probably depending on what you're feeding. Um, and then

717
00:56:37,309 --> 00:56:42,329
if you have more chickens, then you can go to a greenery and that's where you get real sales and

718
00:56:42,329 --> 00:56:48,989
you buy a bag, a sack, right. And it's, you know, one ton sack that they bring in and it's special

719
00:56:48,989 --> 00:56:55,049
mixed for you. If you want it, uh, you can, you know, obviously get it non GMO, soy free,

720
00:56:55,049 --> 00:56:59,989
you can do all kinds of stuff, which will raise your prices. But again, you know, it's what you

721
00:56:59,989 --> 00:57:06,449
put into it and the eggs that you put out, you, you notice the difference. Everyone else will too.

722
00:57:06,649 --> 00:57:24,746
So the sale price of them is no longer what the store sale price is for like you know the white box dozen of eggs The sale price is more like the price for one of these you know a brown box They all brown eggs That makes them good right No it doesn

723
00:57:25,126 --> 00:57:30,906
But, um, they're all brown eggs and you pay, you know, 10 bucks a dozen or something. I'd say

724
00:57:30,906 --> 00:57:34,126
probably about eight bucks a dozen. You're making, you're making a little bit of money.

725
00:57:34,126 --> 00:57:44,866
yeah or you're getting what you need right you're just you're filling in that gap of whatever you

726
00:57:44,866 --> 00:57:52,086
might need yeah absolutely yeah i'd love and then like for me i've i've felt good i haven't bought

727
00:57:52,086 --> 00:57:58,506
eggs in nine years well that's not true we we had one winter where we had to buy we had to buy eggs

728
00:57:58,506 --> 00:58:05,206
for the baking because damn it we we had a big loss before coming into the winter normally we've

729
00:58:05,206 --> 00:58:11,846
got enough chickens to where even in the winter we'll still get you know a couple a day few a day

730
00:58:11,846 --> 00:58:19,726
maybe um and especially if we we brewed out in the you know september time frame august time frame

731
00:58:19,726 --> 00:58:24,186
uh then we'll get eggs in the winter because they're too young to know they're not supposed

732
00:58:24,186 --> 00:58:31,706
to be laying um don't tell anyone man that had to be enough to like get you going right that you

733
00:58:31,706 --> 00:58:36,366
had to go to the store and buy eggs i'd be like i don't think i would i think i'd be like no

734
00:58:36,366 --> 00:58:42,946
i'll go without we bumped up we bumped up our uh chicken supply to i think at that time we bumped

735
00:58:42,946 --> 00:58:49,646
up to 85 because of that and uh yeah that was a loss pattern that was one of those heartbreaks

736
00:58:49,646 --> 00:58:57,166
We came out and, you know, a fox had gotten in the pen and we suffered a pretty big loss.

737
00:58:57,466 --> 00:58:59,426
So, yeah, it happens.

738
00:58:59,546 --> 00:58:59,666
Yeah.

739
00:59:00,246 --> 00:59:02,546
I mean, the six keep us pretty good.

740
00:59:02,746 --> 00:59:04,126
We do the water glassing thing.

741
00:59:04,186 --> 00:59:08,866
So we're either swimming in eggs or we don't really have that many, but the water glassing helps.

742
00:59:09,806 --> 00:59:10,366
Oh, it does.

743
00:59:10,846 --> 00:59:11,546
It does.

744
00:59:11,546 --> 00:59:19,526
it's it's you know it's interesting how you know this so if you're not familiar with water

745
00:59:19,526 --> 00:59:26,526
glassing it's it's you take a rehydrated lime food grade and you mix it with water and then

746
00:59:26,526 --> 00:59:32,446
you take eggs that are fresh you cannot use store eggs no store egg is capable of doing this you

747
00:59:32,446 --> 00:59:39,286
can't wash them either wash the balloon off of it you need farm fresh unwashed clean eggs you put

748
00:59:39,286 --> 00:59:44,886
I'm in this and they'll last up to a year on your shelf in the maybe a year and a half.

749
00:59:45,226 --> 00:59:50,466
Yeah. Yeah. I've, I've seen people do tests where they've done it over two years. The consistency

750
00:59:50,466 --> 00:59:56,266
of the egg starts to break down probably in the six to nine month range, uh, where, you know,

751
00:59:56,266 --> 01:00:01,926
the yoke will kind of break, but the taste and, and everything else for like scrambled is fine

752
01:00:01,926 --> 01:00:07,266
or for baking. It's fine. Um, but yeah, you can sit there and put eggs on your shelf for

753
01:00:07,266 --> 01:00:14,186
up to a year easily in this water and lime solution and just pull them out, rinse them

754
01:00:14,186 --> 01:00:15,126
off and eat them.

755
01:00:15,606 --> 01:00:21,546
And, you know, this is, this is a hundred year old knowledge that nobody knows today.

756
01:00:21,786 --> 01:00:25,546
And instead we've all got to have a refrigerator box to put our eggs in.

757
01:00:25,906 --> 01:00:28,266
Well, I don't, all my eggs sit on the counter.

758
01:00:28,666 --> 01:00:29,106
Yeah.

759
01:00:29,186 --> 01:00:33,986
It blew my mind to think that you could have eggs for over a year on the counter with no

760
01:00:33,986 --> 01:00:35,066
refrigeration necessary.

761
01:00:35,066 --> 01:00:40,066
I mean, it honestly blew my mind that when I found out you didn't have to refrigerate eggs, period.

762
01:00:41,666 --> 01:00:44,046
Like, I mean, that's just something we've always done.

763
01:00:45,066 --> 01:00:47,026
Well, you go to Mexico, they're on the shelf.

764
01:00:47,206 --> 01:00:47,766
Yeah, right.

765
01:00:47,886 --> 01:00:48,786
They're not in a refrigerator.

766
01:00:49,006 --> 01:00:49,946
They just put them on the shelf.

767
01:00:50,026 --> 01:00:52,186
So you go in there, you're like, oh, I just take it on off the shelf.

768
01:00:53,466 --> 01:00:54,326
Yeah, I think.

769
01:00:54,386 --> 01:01:01,886
But people get so they're so they I don't know if you've tried to give people your eggs and if they get a little funny.

770
01:01:02,306 --> 01:01:03,566
Have you had run into this at all?

771
01:01:03,566 --> 01:01:06,546
Well, my parents like, yeah, right.

772
01:01:06,586 --> 01:01:08,326
They're like, I don't know.

773
01:01:09,266 --> 01:01:09,746
Right.

774
01:01:10,066 --> 01:01:13,286
You know, they feel comfortable with the store, right?

775
01:01:13,386 --> 01:01:18,926
If they feel comfortable with that store bought thing, because it's it's it's you know, they've taken care of it.

776
01:01:18,986 --> 01:01:19,846
They processed it.

777
01:01:19,906 --> 01:01:20,926
You've just picked yours out.

778
01:01:21,006 --> 01:01:22,166
And now I'm having to eat that.

779
01:01:23,186 --> 01:01:26,646
They do the same thing with chicken, like fresh chicken that I've grown.

780
01:01:26,646 --> 01:01:34,766
they they're gonna pass because i've processed and it wasn't processed by somebody that really

781
01:01:34,766 --> 01:01:39,486
didn't care for the chicken or you know i mean they just they just there to you know cut it open

782
01:01:39,486 --> 01:01:46,786
and you know move on whereas i i cared for the chicken i processed the chicken you know humanely

783
01:01:46,786 --> 01:01:55,426
and then i packaged it beautifully and they're still like weird weird about it yeah it's so weird

784
01:01:55,426 --> 01:01:56,266
It is weird.

785
01:01:56,266 --> 01:02:02,766
My parents were like that at first, and they didn't want to try the eggs from my house.

786
01:02:03,706 --> 01:02:06,866
Then I finally got them to do it, and then they're like, oh, those are great.

787
01:02:07,126 --> 01:02:08,486
Then they want more.

788
01:02:09,026 --> 01:02:12,746
It just takes that little bit of a try there at first.

789
01:02:13,066 --> 01:02:14,506
It was like a thing.

790
01:02:14,826 --> 01:02:18,126
We had a friend come over, and we went out and got eggs fresh from the coop.

791
01:02:19,266 --> 01:02:21,206
Which, by the way, that's not a morning thing.

792
01:02:21,286 --> 01:02:25,166
I don't know who came up with that idea, but mine are like noon.

793
01:02:25,166 --> 01:02:26,106
It's never in the morning.

794
01:02:26,286 --> 01:02:26,766
Two in the afternoon.

795
01:02:27,906 --> 01:02:29,946
Three o'clock's a nice time to go get them all.

796
01:02:29,982 --> 01:02:34,542
Right. So, you know, I went out there and collected some eggs and brought them in.

797
01:02:34,602 --> 01:02:36,162
I'm like, yeah, let's have some eggs.

798
01:02:36,162 --> 01:02:38,742
And I put them down and grabbed one of them, picked it up.

799
01:02:38,762 --> 01:02:41,302
He goes, it's still warm. Is this safe?

800
01:02:41,962 --> 01:02:45,922
I'm like, there's no safer thing on the planet to digest, man.

801
01:02:46,602 --> 01:02:50,782
Thank you. Right. That is that's pure gold right there, my friend.

802
01:02:51,042 --> 01:02:52,942
Holy smokes. Yeah.

803
01:02:52,962 --> 01:02:59,962
But I've noticed that that people will get just really bizarre about like anything that you've maybe grown and processed yourself.

804
01:02:59,982 --> 01:03:05,722
um though i think the eggs were the gateway for that and then it just got worse the more

805
01:03:05,722 --> 01:03:11,902
more meat you try to hand out to people like oh you made that yourself yeah we've had people come

806
01:03:11,902 --> 01:03:17,142
to the farm too and i'm like walking up to plants just grabbing you know a pepper or tomato off and

807
01:03:17,142 --> 01:03:22,102
i start eating it they're like you're not gonna wash that i'm like why would i do that they're

808
01:03:22,102 --> 01:03:27,142
like well you don't know what's on it i'm like i absolutely do i can tell you exactly what's on it

809
01:03:27,142 --> 01:03:32,862
air that's what's on it maybe that's right but you know i brush the dirt off it's okay

810
01:03:32,862 --> 01:03:41,602
it's my dirt right it's it's it's my dirt i'm okay yeah there's no pesticides no fungicides

811
01:03:41,602 --> 01:03:47,642
no herbicides no sides whatsoever and no chemical input so i don't know what you're worried about

812
01:03:47,642 --> 01:03:52,222
but it didn't maybe jeff can uh maybe jeff can teach you how to grow your own mushrooms maybe

813
01:03:52,222 --> 01:03:57,542
you'll like them then if you grew your own oh man you know what i'm telling you i actually

814
01:03:57,542 --> 01:04:03,602
does i cannot stand mushrooms i but i still try them when people when people tell me oh i've got

815
01:04:03,602 --> 01:04:08,742
this and it's going to be good you're going to like it it just takes one with that taste and i'm

816
01:04:08,742 --> 01:04:15,182
like and uh but i still want to grow them to see hey is there a difference between difference between

817
01:04:15,182 --> 01:04:20,302
you know kind of like tomatoes and every other vegetable when you freshly harvest them and cook

818
01:04:20,302 --> 01:04:26,962
them as opposed to things that are bought from the store. And I've tried everything I can think

819
01:04:26,962 --> 01:04:33,102
of and nothing, nothing, nothing will take. And I, you know, I haven't grown them on a countertop

820
01:04:33,102 --> 01:04:38,522
with one of the tent things, et cetera, because I, my fear is the smell of that's going to make me go.

821
01:04:40,902 --> 01:04:46,182
Well, and you know, the thing is with those is that, um, a lot of probably what you're getting

822
01:04:46,182 --> 01:04:52,202
is the media. So oftentimes, you know, they would talk about the mushrooms that kind of,

823
01:04:52,202 --> 01:04:58,442
you know, grown in some foul stuff, right. Um, that flavor oftentimes comes from the media. So

824
01:04:58,442 --> 01:05:03,142
what it's grown in, right. It's, it, it's, um, it's kind of pulling in some of that,

825
01:05:03,302 --> 01:05:09,742
even if you don't want it to. Um, and what I grow it in is wood. So a lot of the things I'll take

826
01:05:09,742 --> 01:05:16,642
I'll take wood or I'll take straw so one of those two items and then there that

827
01:05:16,642 --> 01:05:22,502
stuff is boiled and then the media is so it's all sterilized and then once that

828
01:05:22,502 --> 01:05:37,931
they put my all of my media and everything in it then it will start to like pop out mushrooms all over the it it is um a very easy process but it very finicky

829
01:05:37,931 --> 01:05:40,411
Like you have to kind of have to have the right setting.

830
01:05:40,491 --> 01:05:41,771
You have to have the right atmosphere.

831
01:05:42,491 --> 01:05:47,511
Um, but you know what, once you have them in a different media, it's just an, it is a

832
01:05:47,511 --> 01:05:48,111
different flavor.

833
01:05:48,291 --> 01:05:49,111
It just is.

834
01:05:49,651 --> 01:05:51,591
I know you probably heard that a thousand times and you're like,

835
01:05:51,591 --> 01:05:56,431
No, I, again, I'm, so I'm one of these weird individuals.

836
01:05:56,431 --> 01:05:57,551
Like, I don't care.

837
01:05:57,671 --> 01:06:02,031
You know, I mean, beef fries, lamb fries, pork fries, I'll eat them.

838
01:06:02,371 --> 01:06:02,971
I like them.

839
01:06:03,231 --> 01:06:06,451
I made them the first time unwittingly, but they were really good.

840
01:06:06,751 --> 01:06:08,311
I don't get squeamish about that.

841
01:06:08,431 --> 01:06:12,271
And beef, the, the, the fries I'm talking about, that's testicles, by the way.

842
01:06:12,791 --> 01:06:15,711
So, you know, it's good stuff.

843
01:06:15,771 --> 01:06:16,911
I mean, it's good meat.

844
01:06:17,011 --> 01:06:17,971
You know, why throw it away?

845
01:06:18,751 --> 01:06:20,471
But, you know, someone's going.

846
01:06:21,591 --> 01:06:22,531
I'm not going to throw it away.

847
01:06:22,631 --> 01:06:23,651
I'm just going to give it to you.

848
01:06:23,831 --> 01:06:24,591
I'll eat it.

849
01:06:25,331 --> 01:06:28,511
But, you know, mushrooms are the same way for me.

850
01:06:28,591 --> 01:06:33,131
Like I said, if someone says, yeah, I've got a way to cook them that you'll like, I'll try it.

851
01:06:33,691 --> 01:06:40,111
And, you know, in some cases I've gotten, you know, most of the way through something before I got that one bite.

852
01:06:40,151 --> 01:06:41,671
And then it was like, I can't.

853
01:06:42,211 --> 01:06:43,851
But I do want to grow them.

854
01:06:43,851 --> 01:06:50,511
I've gotten plugs and done plugs on, you know, downed trees out here and everything else.

855
01:06:50,511 --> 01:06:55,911
And just so far, I've tried all sorts of things, putting them in crevices of rotten trees.

856
01:06:56,211 --> 01:07:04,411
I've tried, you know, of tree that was downed by me the next year coming in and putting plugs in, clearing the bark off and everything.

857
01:07:04,871 --> 01:07:07,471
But I had zero luck.

858
01:07:08,591 --> 01:07:11,831
Oh, man, I have a surefire way.

859
01:07:13,051 --> 01:07:13,571
Awesome.

860
01:07:13,671 --> 01:07:19,891
Just to get to a point where like you can grow them on a regular basis and then just keep growing and growing and growing them.

861
01:07:19,891 --> 01:07:22,831
It's like, uh, it's like the, it's like the Chadwick cherries, you know what I mean?

862
01:07:22,831 --> 01:07:23,611
You just keep going.

863
01:07:24,131 --> 01:07:32,831
Um, and the doing that, um, it's, it's such a, it's such a skill once you've got it down

864
01:07:32,831 --> 01:07:37,291
that like, it feels, it's one of those things where like, I, now I have another skill that

865
01:07:37,291 --> 01:07:37,791
I can do.

866
01:07:38,311 --> 01:07:42,931
Um, and just, I kind of put that on, you know, on the side, but I don't, for the most part,

867
01:07:42,931 --> 01:07:46,691
I don't actually grow mushrooms myself to eat.

868
01:07:46,691 --> 01:07:48,271
I just don't.

869
01:07:48,491 --> 01:07:50,731
But I can grow any of them.

870
01:07:50,831 --> 01:07:53,691
I can grow anything that's mushroom related.

871
01:07:54,211 --> 01:07:55,331
And they'll just go.

872
01:07:55,651 --> 01:07:56,791
They'll just grow.

873
01:07:58,131 --> 01:08:02,891
We even did an experiment with the morels.

874
01:08:03,551 --> 01:08:09,691
So we actually got to grow morels where we wanted to grow them.

875
01:08:09,731 --> 01:08:10,331
Are you kidding me?

876
01:08:11,211 --> 01:08:11,811
No.

877
01:08:12,171 --> 01:08:14,111
And it was amazing.

878
01:08:14,111 --> 01:08:15,851
it was actually

879
01:08:15,851 --> 01:08:19,311
someone that I had actually learned this from

880
01:08:19,311 --> 01:08:21,051
had worked with Paul Stamets

881
01:08:21,051 --> 01:08:32,340
I don know if you know who that is that the mushroom godfather and this was kind of passed down from him but we made like a big slurry and we poured it out in the woods and I telling you we could

882
01:08:32,340 --> 01:08:38,980
have followed the trail of the, of the slurry that we poured of just this massive bloom of morels.

883
01:08:39,620 --> 01:08:47,160
Um, and so, yeah, and it, these are just old techniques, just old techniques.

884
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:52,840
yeah i'll have to i'll have to hit you up on on some of the recipes there because that that to me

885
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:58,580
is exciting i i do want to i want to find a mushroom that i can enjoy i really do now i i

886
01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:05,260
do enjoy my mycelium all of my berry plants joy enjoy it as well um but you know that's a different

887
01:09:05,260 --> 01:09:15,260
kind of fungus i guess and not something i think i want to eat i agree all right well hey i i think

888
01:09:15,260 --> 01:09:19,980
this is probably a good place to start wrapping up. I really appreciate you coming on. I think

889
01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:25,680
this has been a wonderful discussion. And once again, folks, if you haven't, I've only gotten

890
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:33,680
through the forward, which is written by Brandon from agorist or agorist nexus. Uh, and, uh, the,

891
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:39,080
the first few pages of it, but I'm telling you it's, it's, it's packed and it's really good.

892
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:44,760
And it's also, it's not like some dictionary, you know, thick type of a thing.

893
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,880
So go grab this book.

894
01:09:46,940 --> 01:09:47,640
I promise you.

895
01:09:47,940 --> 01:09:54,160
If anything we said here has resonated with you, this is a good book.

896
01:09:54,220 --> 01:09:55,060
You need to grab it.

897
01:09:55,860 --> 01:09:56,220
All right.

898
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,080
So one question we like to ask every guest.

899
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:03,1000
Throughout our lives, there's someone that has an impact on our lives that's lasting.

900
01:10:03,1000 --> 01:10:06,540
This could be a sixth grade science teacher.

901
01:10:06,540 --> 01:10:09,820
It could be an author, a historical figure.

902
01:10:09,940 --> 01:10:10,820
Heck, it could be mom.

903
01:10:11,420 --> 01:10:17,460
We like to give our guests the opportunity to give back a little bit by giving a shout out to that person that had that impact.

904
01:10:21,260 --> 01:10:21,700
So.

905
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:25,540
So mine would be.

906
01:10:27,940 --> 01:10:34,380
My best friend when I was when I was a kid, it was his mom.

907
01:10:34,380 --> 01:10:35,880
Her name is Myra Lauterbach.

908
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,180
She actually just passed like two years ago.

909
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:47,780
But probably the most inspirational person to me in that she kind of lit a fire for me.

910
01:10:48,740 --> 01:10:54,340
I was sitting at their house and she had, I was an 18-year-old kid.

911
01:10:54,860 --> 01:10:56,240
I didn't know what I wanted to do.

912
01:10:56,660 --> 01:10:57,460
What are you going to do when you're older?

913
01:10:57,580 --> 01:10:58,340
I have no idea.

914
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:03,060
And she told me to go and do everything.

915
01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:06,220
She told me to go experience life.

916
01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:08,440
She told me to go out and, you know, make my way.

917
01:11:08,780 --> 01:11:10,800
And just, it didn't matter what it looked like.

918
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:16,080
Just to go and, you know, if it meant, you know, just, you know, going sleeping on a

919
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:37,809
beach somewhere or you know taking a train to someplace you never been And so I I hated that advice And it didn always look pretty but it was an adventure that I I would not um I wouldn trade for anything So um that that my most

920
01:11:37,809 --> 01:11:42,449
inspirational person. It, I mean, I wouldn't be doing this right now. I really wouldn't. So

921
01:11:42,449 --> 01:11:49,429
that's awesome. That's awesome. That's, that's a huge one right there. I like that. Um, all right.

922
01:11:49,429 --> 01:11:51,709
Well, where can people find you?

923
01:11:51,789 --> 01:11:52,389
What do you have?

924
01:11:52,729 --> 01:11:53,869
What are you working on?

925
01:11:53,989 --> 01:11:56,389
And where's the best place to get your book?

926
01:11:58,169 --> 01:12:02,409
Oh, well, right now, probably the best place to get my book is on Amazon.

927
01:12:05,609 --> 01:12:08,749
So I have a lot of so many things I'm working on.

928
01:12:08,849 --> 01:12:17,089
I'm working on a new project about some of the things that we talked about today, just about that technological and government creep.

929
01:12:17,089 --> 01:12:19,089
It's called Farming Without Permission.

930
01:12:19,429 --> 01:12:25,169
That should probably be out, I'm hoping, spring of 27.

931
01:12:26,949 --> 01:12:30,769
And my farm is Zero Fox Farms.

932
01:12:31,069 --> 01:12:32,489
I'm on X.

933
01:12:32,489 --> 01:12:37,929
I have the farm, takes care of the farm handle.

934
01:12:38,129 --> 01:12:41,529
And then I have my own handle on Jeff Wacker at X.

935
01:12:41,769 --> 01:12:42,809
That's where you can find me.

936
01:12:43,009 --> 01:12:45,509
But yeah, I'm just a regular guy.

937
01:12:45,509 --> 01:12:52,289
Like I, this was, um, just something that I, um, felt very, very passionate about.

938
01:12:52,389 --> 01:12:57,989
And I just kind of turned into a book of all things.

939
01:12:58,109 --> 01:12:59,529
I'm just going to say this, right?

940
01:12:59,589 --> 01:13:01,529
Like, I'm sorry, but you wrote a book.

941
01:13:01,529 --> 01:13:05,689
So I started a book about 35 years ago, got three pages in.

942
01:13:05,809 --> 01:13:06,709
That's where I am.

943
01:13:06,949 --> 01:13:12,849
So, um, I'm going to say you, you, you've done something awesome and I appreciate it.

944
01:13:12,849 --> 01:13:14,529
Um, yeah, very much.

945
01:13:14,529 --> 01:13:21,969
so thank you thank you again for giving us some of your time we really appreciate it time is the

946
01:13:21,969 --> 01:13:27,989
most precious you guys this is the most precious commodity we have and thank you for giving us some

947
01:13:27,989 --> 01:13:32,909
of your time you know where you can find us we're everywhere podcasts or hosts you can find it hosted

948
01:13:32,909 --> 01:13:38,209
you can find us on youtube you can also follow us on x uh we've got telegram channel if you're

949
01:13:38,209 --> 01:13:43,429
interested drop a comment we'll get you in there uh if you have an idea for a guest drop it in the

950
01:13:43,429 --> 01:13:44,869
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951
01:13:45,429 --> 01:13:47,349
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952
01:13:47,529 --> 01:13:49,349
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953
01:13:49,509 --> 01:13:50,569
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954
01:13:51,629 --> 01:13:52,409
And remember,

955
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:55,429
wherever you are, whenever you're

956
01:13:55,429 --> 01:13:57,429
watching this, have an amazing

957
01:13:57,429 --> 01:13:57,909
day.

958
01:13:58,949 --> 01:14:01,389
Thanks for stopping by. Jeff, see you later,

959
01:14:01,389 --> 01:14:01,649
everybody.

960
01:14:13,429 --> 01:14:23,829
We'll be right back.