From Bronze Star to Plot Armor Matt Hasty on Orders, Anarchy & Charleston Stages S3-EP12

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And the shenanigans that went around just in this little local election.

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He was approached by party representatives, and they said,

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Hey, we switch you to our party.

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We'll pay for an apartment in this other district so you don't have to run against our guy.

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And this is just local stuff.

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All this shenanigans going.

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I can only imagine the stories that you could tell us.

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All right, everybody.

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Welcome back to another episode of the Space Tomatoes podcast.

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Today we are joined by a special guest, Matt Hastie, a bronze star decorated retired Army Chief Warrant Officer,

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former congressional candidate and has reinvented himself as an actor award-placing screenwriter and

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stage director welcome to the show matt thank you gentlemen mr havoc mr lx yes sir yes sir

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so um what okay i i just got it that's an interesting like i i the you know from chief

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foreign officer to congressional candidate. Okay. That makes sense. That tracks from there to

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actor, screenwriter, stage director. I'm like, Oh, where'd we go? Where did that come from?

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Well, I think it's, I think you guys would agree too, that, that, um, one of the most important

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things in life is to find yourself an artistic outlet in some way, shape or form, whether it's

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drawing or writing or sculpting or, you know, don't, you don't even have to be good at it.

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Learn to play the drums, man. You know, something that can give you an outlet for those moments of

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frustration or sad, or even just boredom, something that you can go and do and express creativity in a

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way that, um, it can be therapeutic almost. And not just for you, but for anybody around you who

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is also trying to express themselves artistically.

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And for the majority of my life, I've been that nerd.

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I've been that comic book nerd, the TV science fiction nerd, the movie nerd.

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I've loved them all my life.

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And even though my path of seeking truth, wisdom, whatever you want to call it,

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that pathway of making my way through life, it did take me through the military.

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It took me through politics.

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I'm still involved in politics in some ways, but the love that I have for film as an art form has never faded.

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I could talk to you guys for hours about the best films out there.

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So once my political career, I did run for Congress. I did not win.

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And once that kind of fizzled out, I moved to Charleston to be a full time dad.

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And I was left with that unique position of what do I do with my time?

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And that's when I decided to throw myself into artistic creativity. And I took some film production classes at the local technical college and they wanted to train me on sound mixing and the different camera types and lighting. And that's when I realized I didn't care about any of that stuff. I really didn't.

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I just wanted the artistic expressions that you see on the scene and the best connection between my skill set, which is the military taught me a lot of public speaking and being able to stand in front of crowds and not feel humiliation or shame.

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So the most specific application of that is to either be in charge of a production as a director or to be in front of the camera as an actor.

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So I threw myself into that and started writing some screenplays because, you know, I really think I'm the only person in the world that can write good movies, just like I think everybody else who tries to write movies.

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But I know it seems a little odd, but trust me, in my mind, it makes sense.

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In a lot of ways, I'm like, and here I go babbling, but in a lot of ways, it's, I don't know if either one of you are Christians, but there's a book of the Bible called Ecclesiastes, where an unknown author is seeking, you know, purpose in all these different areas.

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He's seeking it through wisdom, through pleasure, through piety.

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And ultimately what follows is just, you know, whenever God wants it to be, God will let you know what's important when it's time.

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And that's kind of where I'm at now.

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One of my favorite sayings is want to make God laugh.

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Tell him your plans.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, I know.

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And I think that's a really valid thing right there.

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You know, that creative outlet is something that's necessary for all of us.

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We need to have something that we do, you know, it could be crocheting.

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It could be making duct tape boats to push down our, you know, gutter river or whatever.

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It doesn really matter Are podcasts an art form It is Sure they are Absolutely Why aren they This is the artistic creation or this is the artistic expression of discussion that

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you are exchanging ideas in a way that you are trying to express something.

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And even if the expression is just an interesting conversation, can you agree that having an

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interesting conversation is more of an art than a science?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think it is.

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Absolutely. So did you go to school then to learn how to screenwrite, etc.?

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No, I did do the degree thing. I have a bachelor's in information technology management, and I have a master's in organizational leadership.

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But neither one of those is acting. I never went through an official acting school.

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I did study. That's what the question that people like to ask, you know, did you study anywhere?

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And it's like, well, I've studied, but I haven't studied anywhere. And in a lot of ways, most of the things that I've learned over the last five or six years about any topic has been me diving into the Internet various ways.

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and now I'm teaching acting at the same technical college that I decided I didn't want to

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pursue any more classes which the combination of studying on my own to become an actor

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and then actually being an actor in various productions and now having to teach the craft

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I definitely had to study somewhere so I didn't get a degree in it but I did go through some

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education in various ways.

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So no Juilliard.

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No, no.

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And in Charleston, we have, and I'm going to say it wrong, I know,

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and a lot of people from Charleston are going to laugh at me,

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but here they have G-A-I-L-L-A-R-D, which it's not the New York Juilliard.

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I think they call it Galiard.

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It's something that's just slightly different,

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but it's a huge theater production thing.

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But I enjoy the artistic expression, but I've been held holding myself back from trying to dive into it full bore because everything I learned about once you start getting into the corporate and professional aspects of acting or film production or even theater, it gets very nasty, very fast.

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It turns into nepotism and money around everything.

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Is there is there a big enough scene in Charleston to do that?

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I know it's not comparable to New York or Los Angeles.

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Is there still a pretty good crowd there?

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There's a technical college that has a film production area,

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which means there's a lot of student films.

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And there's also some Hollywood productions that come here.

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I don't know.

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You ever heard of The Righteous Gemstones on HBO?

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It's a Danny McBride comedy,

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and that shot here for the whole 44 seasons it was here.

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and there's another one called Outer Banks. There's a few like professional Hollywood level

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productions that shoot in and around the Charleston area. And a lot of these film production students

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will, you know, they'll go, they're, they'll go and they'll work for free. So of course the film

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production people are like, okay, just sign here, make sure I'm not liable for you. But, you know,

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so there are opportunities to learn from the professionals, but there are, there are also,

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I think in any big city, especially in 2026 America, you've got all the dreamers in the world.

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There's all kinds of people who want to be directors, screenwriters, actors, and it's not difficult to put all those people together and create a project.

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I mean, they have premieres here. It's nothing like what you'll see in New York or L.A.

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But if you're in Charleston and it's something you want to pursue as an artistic expression, there are opportunities.

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There's also tons of community theater, depending on how much you want to go into.

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I was going to say Charleston is really, you know, I mean, you've got a very eclectic mix, but it is it is a very, you know, art centric type of a town, especially when you're in downtown Charleston, you know, especially like the open air market and all that kind of stuff where you've got the other one that goes on the square there.

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I can't remember the name of it.

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That's I think once a month, but you, you have a lot of artistic expression.

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Last time we were down there, I actually bought a dude, welded a propane tank into a little

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pig.

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And so that's sitting out front.

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I liked it.

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I love this country so much.

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He welded a propane tank into a pig.

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That's art right there.

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It is.

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It is.

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I saw it and I was like, you know what?

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I want that.

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So we got it.

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we went to when i lived in manhattan for a year i was stationed in uh i was attached to fema

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in in new york city for a year and me and my now ex-wife but we jumped on the subway and we went

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to brooklyn because there was some famous i don't remember the names of it but it's like a famous

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farmer's market but some kind of artistic style farmer's market and we were walking through there

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i mean there a lot of unique it art so you know it all going to depend on what your interpretation is I walking around going this is garbage They literally selling us garbage and calling it art But she found a brick I mean it was just like a regular mason brick with two holes in it red mason brick and it had dirt in each one of the holes

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And there was a single flower growing out of it, and they wanted $150 for it.

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Wow.

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And I don't want to disparage anybody trying to make money off their art.

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I don't want to disparage the work that went into the thought for that art project.

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But right then and there, it was like, you know, I might not be a modern art kind of guy.

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Yeah.

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It's all about what you, you know, it's really an individual thing, right?

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Yeah, subjective.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You can find areas where people all get together and they go, oh, yeah, well, that's a beautiful work, right?

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But that's very few and far between.

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Most art falls into the category of you either love it or you hate it.

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Yeah.

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I think.

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Like, you know, I look at some of the stuff and I'm like,

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I just don't understand why anybody would want that in their house or hanging on their home.

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I'm like that with movies now, man.

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I don't know what the hell went on with – I mean, I do know, or at least I think I know,

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but that's an hour-long rant.

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But what Hollywood has turned into is just amazing that, you know,

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as somebody who appreciated the art form for a long time, it's enough to drive you nuts.

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so what happens if uh what happens if they approach you and say hey mr hasty uh you want

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to be famous uh that's great we we have this opportunity for you we just have a few things

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that we need you to do for us before before that happens well and this is going to sound very

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self-centered i know that but i have considered this i've sat around and asked myself like when's

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my big break going to come when am i going to turn into you know whoever the next great uh

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thing and i honestly i don't know i don't it's going to depend on the things you know of course

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but uh it's okay it's just just a night at diddy's house and just bring some maybe that was

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would you accept the invitation to the diddy party no i might go to the i might go to the

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party just to say i went to the party but i'm y'all might not be able to tell but i'm a pretty

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big dude i'm like 6'2 250 so diddy ain't gonna i mean it's gonna take a team of them to get that

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That's the kind they like.

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Well, then afterwards, he's got to live the rest of his life in fear,

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and there ain't nothing I can do to help him about that.

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But that's one of the beautiful things about being,

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and I do want to give a shout-out to the Department of Defense

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and Veterans Affairs because I think a lot of veterans badmouth them

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in various ways, but they very much took care of me.

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I had a lot of problems when I was getting out of the military,

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physically, mentally, emotionally.

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I mean, I had broken down in a lot of ways and they took care of me so well so that now I'm not going to be able to live in this apartment or live like royalty.

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But if I never want to work again, I can live in a trailer off baloney sandwiches like my retirement will take care of that.

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And that gives me a level of freedom that if somebody did come to me from Hollywood and they said, you know, hey, let me offer you this steady job and all the money in the world.

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it's a beautiful thing to just be like i don't need you man i don't need you i i the military

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has taken care of me i gave 20 years and now i don't need your million dollar paycheck

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uh i would love it just to be able to with film as an artistic medium it requires so much money

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it's you can make a movie on your phone nowadays so it's not exclusive to that but in order for

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the movie to be interesting there's a series y'all you guys know this so i mean let me talk about it

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for just a second like you don't the lighting the the cinematography the music the costumes

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the the camera work the all of the different not the writing the the storyboards each one of these

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things isn't and that's before you get to the actors the makeup the each one of these things

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requires a level of artistic dedication that, I mean, you can have some people double up,

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but you really need a team with you. And if you're going to make a movie, you're going to need so much

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time that the only way to get a movie done is by paying these people. You're going to have to help

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pay their bills. Otherwise, it's just not going to function. So right off the bat, you're dealing

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with the money situation. And then once you start getting into the quality of all those categories,

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I just said, you know, which kind of lights are you going to use? You know, which kind of makeup

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are you going to use? So that's one of the things that's frustrating about that artistic medium.

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One of the reasons that I'd be tempted to go to the Diddy party is just like, hey man, you know,

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you can't touch me, but I'll go hang out and, you know, drink some whiskey with you

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if you're going to fund my project. But Mr. Hastie, would $100 million in a private jet

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change your mind? I mean, that's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. I don't know. I would,

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I would consider it in a way that would be considered offensive to a lot of people.

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$100 million is a lot of money.

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Where's the baby oil?

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Well you sitting there like man I could give million of it to the church you know and maybe that would buy me an indulgence like back in the Catholic days And then I could you know and you can get away with a whole lot of stuff

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I'm pretty positive.

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Well, let me lie to myself, Havoc.

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Why can't you let me have my lie so I can live my dream?

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Get off me, bro.

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Yeah, 50 million dollars in tithe, that clears that night.

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Yeah, that's it.

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I think any priest in America nowadays be like, yeah, you're forgiven, bro.

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Never happened.

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Never happened.

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Any more indulgences?

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Before I forget about it, because I know it's going to just leave my brain.

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You mentioned you were involved in FEMA, and I didn't want to change the subject.

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But I was attached to FEMA.

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How involved were you with FEMA?

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So after this, and if I talk too long, you guys are just going to have to give me a heads up.

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But after Katrina, when Katrina hit New Orleans and FEMA had all those problems,

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They couldn't get people evacuated. They couldn't get water to the Superdome, all that stuff.

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The federal government changed the way that FEMA operated in terms of active duty military.

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After Katrina, the policy shifted so that every FEMA region and, you know, the entire United States is broken up into regions for FEMA.

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And the entire FEMA region, whoever the command, I say commander, the civilian that's in charge, whoever is in charge of that FEMA region has an active duty army component attached to him.

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And their entire, it's called a defense coordination element.

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And whatever, if FEMA gets kicked forward, let's say I was, because I was in Manhattan, I worked in 26 Federal Plaza.

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And if something goes down, here's a perfect example in New Jersey.

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In New Jersey, the year I was in Manhattan is when the Super Bowl was in New Jersey.

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It was the Panthers-Broncos Super Bowl where the Broncos just got demolished.

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But when that happened, the New Jersey – everybody's prepared for some kind of terrorist attack.

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Everybody's prepared for something to go wrong because it's a huge event.

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We all know that it's a major soft target.

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And when you activate certain elements of the government to just be on standby, the defense coordination element has to be right there next to whoever's in charge.

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And the intent is if something gets bad enough at the secretary of defense level, they can sign a memo and then that active duty colonel can turn to the FEMA director and say, what do you need?

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And if he needs Blackhawks, that active duty colonel is now in charge of all of what we call Title 10 resources, which is active duty military resources within that area.

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He can call Fort Drum and say, give me, you know, 20 Blackhawks.

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Give me a thousand troops.

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Now, they can't.

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There's certain things that are restricted from doing them.

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Active duty military, because of Pase Comitatus, they can't carry weapons.

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They can't carry rounds.

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They can't engage in it.

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They can't even defend a convoy.

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If they were bringing supplies to an area because of a disaster had descended into chaos, active duty military, because of the law, if they're taking convoys of supplies and they're getting attacked, they can't defend themselves.

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They can't. They're not even supposed to be carrying those live rounds.

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Now, you know, don't get me started on all the loopholes that are involved in this.

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And I mean, you get active duty military down at the border.

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Uh, but so the active duty military that's attached to the FEMA director in that FEMA

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region consists of an active duty Colonel and active duty Lieutenant Colonel, um, an

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operation Sergeant, a communication Sergeant and a supply Sergeant.

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And I was the communication Sergeant.

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And it was the best assignment I've ever had in the military.

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I'm almost done because I'm stationed in Manhattan, which means you, the taxpayers were paying

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my rent in Manhattan for me to live in a nice little shoebox apartment. But FEMA reason two

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is New York State, New Jersey, and the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico. And because we are

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a unit that is associated with readiness, we always have to be ready to go no matter what

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disaster happens. The comms have to be checked monthly. That means I have to go to San Juan,

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Puerto Rico and I have to go to St. Thomas and the Virgin Islands once a month to check all of

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the cars. It was the best assignment in the world. Are you kidding me? Once a month for four days,

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usually two days, but sometimes I can get away with it. For four days to sit down there,

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because you have to test all the emergency comms. You got to test the radios, the secret phones,

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all that stuff. And if something's wrong, you got to fix it.

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so all right so i'll ask the question that maybe i don't know some people might be afraid to ask

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how close were we to having the walmart's converted into uh confinement centers and

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all the people that refuse to take the vaccine put in there you know like if you read the internet

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that's what was going to happen well i was attached to fema in 2014 so uh i worked at

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UN General Assembly and there was

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well, I don't know if I could talk about that, but there

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was something else domestic

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that was not that

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But I can tell you, having worked in the military for 20 years and having seen how the government operates at the Pentagon level and all the way down at the dirt where they dig the holes, that's not going to happen.

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It's not going to happen.

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What people, I don't want to pull you too far off your question, but what a lot of people forget about America is how well armed we are.

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It's not just about the cities, because in the cities you could get a lot of that just from giving directions.

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You'd be amazed at how if you come from a position of authority, and you saw this with COVID.

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If you come from a position of authority and you say X equals Y, there's going to be an entire group of people who are going to say X equals Y, and they're going to scream at anybody who disagrees.

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So you can get a lot of people to go into these Walmarts or whatever just by saying you need to go there.

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But you're also going to have the rednecks in rural Louisiana and rural Illinois and even a lot of the common sense, not to disparage too many people, but a lot of the common sense in the cities.

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They're going to say, I don't care what the government says.

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I'm not going into that Walmart, no matter what they say.

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And that resistance in order to comply with the directive that is given, unless it's optional.

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So if we're saying it's mandatory, anytime you hear the word mandatory, that involves force.

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That is literally you're endorsing violence.

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OK, by saying because somebody is going to resist and you have to have guidelines for what those people do when they resist.

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Now, in COVID, they tried this public shaming, you know, whatever they want to call it,

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where you got deplatformed and considered a moron if you didn't take the vaccine or stay six feet and wear the mask.

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But there was very little, they had some in democratic states, but there was very little violence applied to people in order to get them to comply.

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Except for the violence of the laws and the violence was, well, you just won't fly.

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Or, well, you just won't get this job.

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I think you gave me a five cent question and I gave you a $50 answer.

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No, I appreciate it.

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So you were around for the Katrina thing.

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I have a question.

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Well, I was in Afghanistan when that happened.

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Go ahead.

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Oh, all right.

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I was only at FEMA for one year.

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I got to FEMA.

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I had a really good question.

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I had a really good question.

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Well, I'm from Louisiana, so you can ask.

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Who made the wonderful, brilliant decision to erect the camp with all the mobile, the trailers, et cetera, in Texas to help the victims of Katrina in Louisiana?

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I can almost guarantee you it came from the top.

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Something like that.

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Anything involving state lines.

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Yeah.

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Who thought 500 miles away?

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Yeah, that sounds like a good place to set up.

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I'm going to tell you, look, so this is, you know, because I started in the military as an E1 private all the way at the bottom.

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All right.

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And I made it to Sergeant First Class, which is, I mean, that's a senior NCO.

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And I served as a Sergeant First Class for six years, which is a long time.

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I made rank real fast because Iraq and Afghanistan were kicking off and they promoted everybody.

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I got to see the military at the moderate level, at the battalion level, brigade, division.

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But I also got to see it way up at those higher levels.

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And as there's this thing when you're a young soldier and maybe it's like this in the corporate world when you're a young employee or whatever, that you truly like even if you're motivated, you're like, OK, this seems stupid.

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But, you know, maybe it makes more sense to the people making the decision.

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They see more than I do.

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They know more than I do about this situation.

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And then as you get promoted in the military and you move higher, that's not what it is.

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Like you sit in these meetings and you're like, no, these decisions get made for very stupid reasons.

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Very dumb.

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Like, I don't want to look bad kind of reasons.

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And it doesn't matter that they're screwing people over.

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Thousands of families.

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I'm not going to bust anybody out.

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But I was stationed at Fort Stewart, which is outside Savannah, and there was a hurricane coming.

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I don't remember which hurricane, but like, I mean, y'all know what it's like when a hurricane's coming in the 2000s.

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It's on your phone.

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It's on the news.

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It's national level news because everybody knows they're tracking it.

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They want to know where it's coming.

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Well, this thing we knew was coming straight for Savannah.

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Like it was nobody was dissenting about it.

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And we're talking.

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I don't want to lie to you.

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I think it was less than a day.

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It was something that was it was ridiculous that we had not been ordered to evacuate yet because everybody around us had been ordered to evacuate.

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And I got I had a newborn at home. I had my. So the first time in my life, I disobeyed orders.

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I just I said, OK, guys, I'm on my phone if you need me. And I drove home and I evacuated, got on the phone and drove to like.

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Oh, I don't know. I don't think we stopped till we hit Tennessee because everybody else was evacuating, too.

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But those decisions, the reason that they didn't want to give the evacuation order, it had nothing to do with the safety of the troops.

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It had nothing to do with anything other than nobody wanted to be the person to make that decision And all the way at the top they waiting on they waiting on some person to get a briefing They waiting on some person to have a meeting or something so that they can make that decision

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And it drives you crazy because that's a really stupid reason for people to be left in danger.

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So that's everywhere.

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And everywhere in the military.

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And as I got hired, there's an old saying in the military that you know when it's time to go.

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you know when it's time and my last few years were very difficult but i made it i made it

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i knew it was time to go without getting into any like particular experience i mean unless you want

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to and you feel comfortable doing that how do you personally reconcile taking an order and

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following through with it if you don't personally believe that that's the right call which i'm sure

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happens or even if it goes against your you know personal convictions most of well first i'm going

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to give you the idea the idealism answer first and then i'm going to give you the brainwashing

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answer so the idealism answer is it's not service if you're not sacrificing something

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and one of the things that you sacrifice when you're in the military is your ability

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your ability to make those decisions you don't get to decide if it's a good order or not you

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You don't get to I mean, there are exceptions, of course.

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You're not going to flamethrower a village and shoot some kids in the head and you can be legally prosecuted for following those kinds of orders.

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But when it comes to things like what I just described, I could have when, you know, I'm waiting on them to give the order for evacuation and I got my child in danger and I just said I disobeyed orders because nobody given the evacuation order.

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I was technically a walls absent from my post without leave.

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and for me to make that decision part of it was that frustration that I had already started to

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reach toward the end of my military career but it was also that I had reached a high enough rank

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that I felt I could deal with the consequences I didn't really care whether or not because if I

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got caught doing it that's I mean they weren't going to bust me down in rank you know they might

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if they really wanted to go to town on me they could have but I would have just gotten chewed out

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So when you get high enough rank, there's something in there's another military saying says do what your rank can handle, because every once in a while you will find yourself in those kinds of situations.

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And you're most of the time your peers or even your bosses, sometimes they won't stand in your way because they know what it's like.

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Sometimes you just have to use your best judgment and decide to accept the consequences for disobeying an order.

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So that's kind of the idealism version of it, which involves you have to sacrifice that part of your decision making process for yourself.

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And the brainwashing part of it is I can't speak to the other military services, but in the army from day one, they are ripping out your individuality.

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And it's a good thing that they do because everything about being in the military is about being part of a team.

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You have to be on a team. Even even in basic training, you don't go anywhere without a buddy.

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It's called a battle buddy. And everything that you do requires you to understand your place in the team,

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which is especially as an E1, which is to shut up and drag that, you know, case across the sand.

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I don't care how much it sucks. I don't care how hot it is. We're all hot. Shut up. Drag the damn box.

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so when you start getting into those

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they're called illegal orders

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the immoral illegal orders

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that becomes a gray area that

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you didn't touch on this

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and I don't know if I want to drag y'all down this rabbit hole

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but these Democratic Congress people

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who went and gave a video

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that encouraged service members to understand

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that they don't have to follow illegal orders

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that was very frustrating for me as somebody who was in the military because well first of all just

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to to answer the arguments of every military person who will hear this everybody knows you

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don't follow illegal orders every it's one of the first things they teach you in the military

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okay that you're not supposed to kill an innocent child just because your boss told you to you can

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get in trouble for doing that but the democratic congress people that did that had enough military

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experience and had enough federal agency experience to understand that how what they were saying would

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be perceived. And they did it purely for political reasons. And we are living in a time where things

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like we're disagreeing on presidential powers to the degree that the Supreme Court has to decide

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what is legal and what is not legal. That's where we are right now, that whether it's Obama or

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or Biden or Trump or whoever it is, they'll do something on immigration.

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Obama tried to rewrite immigration.

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He did rewrite immigration law, but that had to go to the Supreme Court to decide if he could do that.

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Congress passed the Affordable Care Act.

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That had to go to the Supreme Court for them to decide whether or not that was a legal law So in this modern context where the major decisions that are made by people in politics

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even they aren't sure if it's legal, even they're not sure if the order that you've been given by

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the president is legal. To put that doubt from that government level down to the lower levels

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of the military by releasing it on social media, it was irresponsible at best. You don't want to

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hear me go, you already heard me go off on it, but to me, it's closer to treason than irresponsible

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because you, I mean, not treason, it's closer to sedition because sedition, if I remember my

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terms correctly, sedition is encouraging others to disobey orders. So there was another $50 answer.

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At the same time though, so a couple of things I would interject here, right?

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I think it's important to know this, and I think very, very, very few people actually know this, right?

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Number one, the Supreme Court interpreting the Constitution is unconstitutional.

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They gave themselves that authority in the 1800s, late 1800s, and were never contested on it.

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And ever since, they've ruled on interpretations, including things like the Commerce Act, which has become the largest billy club the government has to wield, bar none.

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So what's the constitutional role of the Supreme Court, in your opinion?

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It is to rule on law, not to rule on the interpretation of what is constitutional.

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What does that mean, rule on law? Doesn't that mean interpreting the laws?

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the laws that are made by Congress, okay, that is what the Supreme Court's dictate is,

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is to uphold and to rule on the laws that Congress is legislating. It is not to interpret the

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Constitution. In fact, that is, if you look at the, people always forget about these two.

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Like everyone's really up in arms and they mostly know about the First, the Second,

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and the fourth amendment uh some most probably the fifth but when you get to the ninth and the

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tenth amendment yeah you find something very interesting where it says if it's not specifically

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listed as a power that you have it is not yours period and you will not find anywhere in there

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that lists that as an authority the government has there there are quite a lot of no i'm with you

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They were very explicit in the Ninth and Tenth Amendments because a powerful federal government was the biggest fear.

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It was when we when we talk about the founding fathers trying to avoid creating kings, it wasn't kings that they were.

405
00:34:02,744 --> 00:34:06,944
That was just a symptom of a deeper problem. The deeper problem is overpowered government.

406
00:34:07,204 --> 00:34:10,484
It's why they put in the checks and balances against democracy as well.

407
00:34:10,604 --> 00:34:15,824
But I do disagree with you that the role of the Supreme Court is to interpret the Constitution.

408
00:34:15,824 --> 00:34:19,844
I think they have to interpret the Constitution in order to rule on the laws.

409
00:34:20,184 --> 00:34:22,504
Otherwise, their rulings are not based on anything.

410
00:34:23,024 --> 00:34:23,824
It's flatly unconstitutional.

411
00:34:24,544 --> 00:34:25,744
Who do you think should interpret it, Havoc?

412
00:34:26,804 --> 00:34:28,964
It doesn't require interpretation.

413
00:34:29,244 --> 00:34:30,964
There is no interpretation needed.

414
00:34:31,124 --> 00:34:32,744
It's very, very plain language.

415
00:34:32,924 --> 00:34:37,984
It's not like, oh, well, we don't know exactly what shall not be abridged means.

416
00:34:38,104 --> 00:34:39,704
It means shall not be abridged.

417
00:34:40,724 --> 00:34:42,564
We don't know exactly what it means.

418
00:34:42,564 --> 00:34:45,804
Are there any people in America that shouldn't own handguns?

419
00:34:45,824 --> 00:34:53,284
anyone no no anybody so if i'm a psychopathic killer that has killed 16 people and i've been

420
00:34:53,284 --> 00:34:57,944
arrested but i was insane and they they didn't send me to prison to 30 years they sent me to a

421
00:34:57,944 --> 00:35:04,424
mental hospital for 10 years and i get out should i be allowed to buy a handgun did you complete your

422
00:35:04,424 --> 00:35:09,764
time yeah and i did i was sentenced i was sentenced to 10 years so you think okay 100

423
00:35:09,764 --> 00:35:10,204
100%.

424
00:35:10,204 --> 00:35:10,984
I disagree.

425
00:35:11,084 --> 00:35:14,024
Second Amendment shall not be infringed, period.

426
00:35:14,504 --> 00:35:19,364
It doesn't say unless, until, maybe sometimes.

427
00:35:20,004 --> 00:35:21,104
You got to remember.

428
00:35:21,404 --> 00:35:24,784
Should private citizens be allowed to own nuclear weapons or chemical and biological weapons?

429
00:35:24,784 --> 00:35:26,384
You have to hold on here.

430
00:35:26,504 --> 00:35:29,784
In the beginning, we owned warships.

431
00:35:31,184 --> 00:35:31,284
Yeah.

432
00:35:31,884 --> 00:35:37,644
Private citizens owned the most powerful weapon available to anyone.

433
00:35:37,644 --> 00:35:45,764
so at the end of the day it literally plainly states and if you if you are you know this is

434
00:35:45,764 --> 00:35:50,024
one of the things if you are a constitutionalist if you believe in the no i love you brother you

435
00:35:50,024 --> 00:35:57,884
are i love how constitution don't don't make like some excuse for why the constitution doesn't apply

436
00:35:57,884 --> 00:36:04,464
here or it doesn't apply there did it does it say that no if it doesn't say that it's plain

437
00:36:04,464 --> 00:36:06,764
Period. It doesn't need interpretation.

438
00:36:06,764 --> 00:36:09,724
It just says shall not be infringed period.

439
00:36:09,964 --> 00:36:17,864
It doesn't have an unless until except when it just says shall not be infringed.

440
00:36:17,864 --> 00:36:18,864
And there's a period.

441
00:36:19,484 --> 00:36:21,364
What is well regulated mean to you?

442
00:36:22,764 --> 00:36:36,160
A well regulated militia was the idea behind that was you know it a group of your redneck buddies and you go out you train you understand how to use firearms you train people that are interested in learning and becoming a part of that militia

443
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,340
That's it.

444
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:39,060
So you would require training?

445
00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:42,720
I wouldn't require training, no.

446
00:36:43,420 --> 00:36:46,780
Not for the ownership and the use, but to be a part of the militia.

447
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:50,480
Wouldn't that violate the well-regulated militia portion of that amendment?

448
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,260
If they're not trained at all?

449
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:59,200
the militia can call up on any citizen and it's got to be regulated right the word regulated is in

450
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,560
there right i mean we're going constitutional we're going to play text no it is actually it

451
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:10,160
doesn't say regulated it says well regulated yeah it does it doesn't that kind of well

452
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:16,660
some regulation even if it's not at the same token and wouldn't wouldn't defining how much

453
00:37:16,660 --> 00:37:22,280
regulation takes interpretation at some token the military as it stands today is also on

454
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,260
constitutional. There were to be no standing armies. There were to be no entangling alliances.

455
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:34,460
We've got military bases in almost every single corner of the globe. Yeah. Over 700 foreign bases.

456
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:40,180
Yeah. Over 700. So, you know, right off the bat, that's not even constitutional. The idea was that

457
00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:45,680
the people were the defense of the nation. And that's where the well-regulated militia.

458
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,780
Well, I think providing for the national defense is included in there too.

459
00:37:48,780 --> 00:37:53,960
If we wanted to go back to that standpoint, then yeah, I would say well-regulated militia.

460
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,840
You show up National Guard style maybe once a month and you train and some basic firearms

461
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,340
stuff and everyone's armed.

462
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:01,820
Everyone.

463
00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:02,960
Okay.

464
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:04,360
But the training wouldn't go-

465
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,500
Matt, do you like puppies and kittens?

466
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,960
I was loving that, man.

467
00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:08,600
Y'all aren't hurt.

468
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:11,380
You're not scaring me as long as I'm not hurting Havoc's feelings.

469
00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:12,220
I'm not.

470
00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:13,880
Brother, I'll just come at you, man.

471
00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:15,160
I don't have-

472
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,900
This is what I love about podcasts is having these difficult conversations.

473
00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:24,020
You and I disagree, and I'm trying to help you see my perspective because I think I do.

474
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Brother, I was a libertarian, man.

475
00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:27,260
I know exactly what you're talking about.

476
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,500
I'm all about government being at the community level.

477
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,360
You know what I'm saying?

478
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:37,720
So I've transitioned my views in a lot of ways, and I'm trying to help you see things how I see things.

479
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,020
But I'm not attacking you.

480
00:38:39,580 --> 00:38:41,200
Do things get awkward, Alex?

481
00:38:41,580 --> 00:38:42,420
I'm good, man.

482
00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:44,580
No, I'm just sitting back and watching.

483
00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:46,600
I do like puppies and sunshine and rainbows.

484
00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:49,780
So let me explain to you where I came from, right?

485
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,580
Raised in a very conservative household.

486
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:53,760
My father was a captain in the Navy, okay?

487
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,160
Stationed on the USS Lexington when it had a CVA designation.

488
00:39:00,060 --> 00:39:01,620
Okay, so I was raised in that household.

489
00:39:01,620 --> 00:39:03,760
He was career military if he was a captain.

490
00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:07,360
I was raised in that household.

491
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,740
I grew up conservative.

492
00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:17,740
at some point I started to go something just something's not right and along comes this tea

493
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:23,540
party thing and I think okay well let me let me check this thing out uh and after a while something's

494
00:39:23,540 --> 00:39:29,460
not right and then I went to okay there's this constitutionalist movement and I went to that

495
00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:36,340
and again it's just not it's not right from there I examined the libertarian party and went

496
00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:53,160
Yeah, no. And so now I am what is referred to as a small L libertarian, where the large L libertarian is a party person. I no longer believe in the system, the process. I don't. I think it's completely and totally unnecessary.

497
00:39:53,160 --> 00:40:01,160
and it does far more damage and harm to the world in general than it provides any reasonable amount

498
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,280
of good. So that's my stance. So you're not going to hurt my feelings because I don't have a side.

499
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:13,200
I think they're all absolutely stupid. But that's okay, right? I mean, everyone's allowed their own

500
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:20,820
opinion, their own journey and what they feel and believe. I just, you know, the reality of some

501
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:26,000
things, the reality of some things needs to be discussed because a lot of people just don't know

502
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:32,020
this, right? People think right now the problem is the economics and everything else. The problem is

503
00:40:32,020 --> 00:40:39,040
who's in power and stuff like that. Here's the reality of the situation. Since 1913 to today,

504
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:46,720
the dollar has lost 96.7% of its purchasing power. That is a direct result of the Federal Reserve

505
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:53,380
being put in place and being allowed to just print dollars whenever they feel like it okay

506
00:40:53,380 --> 00:41:01,340
since 1971 i think it's lost 84 percent of its purchasing power people look at it and go well

507
00:41:01,340 --> 00:41:08,740
you boomers squandered away no man the federal reserve is the problem here the so that's where

508
00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:14,920
i stand right okay boomer i can i can hate on every single part of this system because i think

509
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,400
they're all deserving of a great deal of hate.

510
00:41:18,860 --> 00:41:24,840
No, and I'll be, brother, everything you just said, the only thing I can provide is the good

511
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,420
side. I mean, I can give you the good side and we can argue about whether or not there's more good

512
00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:35,600
than bad, but I don't disagree with it. The two-party system, it's not even just the two,

513
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,960
when we talk about our politics, it's not even just the two-party system, it's the entrenched bureaucracy that's

514
00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:46,617
created by 250 years of progressive expansion of the federal government. And where we are now and

515
00:41:46,617 --> 00:41:52,237
what you're seeing today with Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Donald Trump, whoever else it is,

516
00:41:52,577 --> 00:41:58,977
these demands for change, for hope and change to, you know, drain the swamp and destroy the deep

517
00:41:58,977 --> 00:42:03,857
state and all this stuff, it's never going to happen because the entire system is designed

518
00:42:03,857 --> 00:42:09,957
to perpetuate itself. It's designed to stabilize itself and perpetuate itself. And there is no

519
00:42:09,957 --> 00:42:14,797
board of directors that you can go and sit down with and convince. The machine is not being

520
00:42:14,797 --> 00:42:21,837
operated by anybody. It's being operated at full capacity by the largest employment force that's

521
00:42:21,837 --> 00:42:28,157
ever existed just to maintain operations. It's just perpetuating over and over again.

522
00:42:28,537 --> 00:42:33,077
And what you're seeing from Obama, from Biden and Trump and Republicans and Democrats switching

523
00:42:33,077 --> 00:42:38,537
back and forth is they can't change it because of the methods of power that have been used to

524
00:42:38,537 --> 00:42:46,437
operate this machine are dependent upon the emotional factions of democracy. So I am 100%

525
00:42:46,437 --> 00:42:53,337
on board with what you are saying. The Constitution does not mean what you think it means.

526
00:42:53,337 --> 00:43:01,297
The global empire, although it is an empire, was never meant to be created by the Constitution.

527
00:43:01,437 --> 00:43:06,777
The Constitution was a philosophical and ideological and a moral experiment to find out

528
00:43:06,777 --> 00:43:15,337
what the least amount of government necessary was to establish 13 laboratories for governments

529
00:43:15,337 --> 00:43:22,317
to experiment with the contrast between individual liberty and the social contract. Because we have

530
00:43:22,317 --> 00:43:28,157
to live together, that we have to have these bare minimum rules for us to avoid harming each other.

531
00:43:28,777 --> 00:43:33,577
That was the experiment, was to find out how little government that we could have so that we

532
00:43:33,577 --> 00:43:39,217
could all live our lives freely. Individual rights were the foundation of the country.

533
00:43:39,777 --> 00:43:45,437
As we moved on, because it became a source of centralized economics and a source of centralized

534
00:43:45,437 --> 00:43:50,417
power, the emotional demagogues took up. By the time we get to Andrew Jackson, we fall into

535
00:43:50,417 --> 00:43:55,117
democracy. And when we say, I mean, that's when the landowning voting requirements.

536
00:43:56,477 --> 00:44:01,237
Well, we had an electoral college and the U.S. Senate was not chosen by the people until 1917,

537
00:44:01,237 --> 00:44:02,837
until the 17th amendment.

538
00:44:03,677 --> 00:44:07,897
Yeah, but I mean, you could go all the way back to good old Abe Lincoln, right?

539
00:44:08,517 --> 00:44:11,357
You know, levying the first income tax.

540
00:44:11,617 --> 00:44:13,657
No, Andrew Jackson was 1820s.

541
00:44:13,977 --> 00:44:15,377
So he was before, that's what I'm saying.

542
00:44:15,477 --> 00:44:22,037
Andrew Jackson, this is when Jacksonian democracy started our modern moronicity, idiocy, whatever

543
00:44:22,037 --> 00:44:23,357
you want to call it, with democracy.

544
00:44:24,057 --> 00:44:26,057
But that's not what the Constitution is about.

545
00:44:26,057 --> 00:44:30,317
Your understanding of the Constitution is flawed, in my opinion.

546
00:44:30,317 --> 00:44:35,517
I don't agree. I think you need to look it up. And specifically...

547
00:44:35,517 --> 00:44:37,357
I know more about the Constitution than you do.

548
00:44:38,477 --> 00:44:40,017
Okay. I'll give you that.

549
00:44:40,477 --> 00:44:40,757
Okay.

550
00:44:41,497 --> 00:44:42,777
I'm not going to argue the fact.

551
00:44:42,777 --> 00:44:43,737
I don't know that for a fact.

552
00:44:43,737 --> 00:44:44,837
Because I don't know you well enough to argue that.

553
00:44:44,837 --> 00:44:46,457
But I'm trying to get you to listen.

554
00:44:46,457 --> 00:44:49,477
I've got to break through this.

555
00:44:50,037 --> 00:44:55,857
If you go to any legal... Go ahead. Choose any one of them and start asking.

556
00:44:55,857 --> 00:45:01,197
and ask them, do they have the constitutional authority to interpret the constitution?

557
00:45:01,957 --> 00:45:05,297
And you will find out that the answer is absolutely not.

558
00:45:05,417 --> 00:45:06,657
It was never part of their dictate.

559
00:45:06,657 --> 00:45:09,677
By ruling on the law, they are interpreting the constitution.

560
00:45:10,197 --> 00:45:10,537
No.

561
00:45:11,077 --> 00:45:12,197
That's what that means.

562
00:45:12,257 --> 00:45:13,737
That's what that phrase means.

563
00:45:13,917 --> 00:45:18,437
To rule on the law, their rulings have to be based on interpretations.

564
00:45:19,037 --> 00:45:22,377
We disagree and constitutionally you're wrong and any Cornell.

565
00:45:22,377 --> 00:45:25,577
No, I'm grammatically in the meaning of words you are wrong.

566
00:45:25,577 --> 00:45:31,477
school will tell you it's not a lie it's a it's a list of rights that we have that are protected

567
00:45:31,477 --> 00:45:35,977
from the government it's not a law and the founders did a lot of the founders didn't even

568
00:45:35,977 --> 00:45:42,637
want to include the land it's not a law find the word law does it say the constitution of law

569
00:45:42,637 --> 00:45:48,137
does it say the sky is not labeled as a sky either but we know what it is it's not we don't

570
00:45:48,137 --> 00:45:53,557
need it to be labeled of rates how is that law it's not it's it's only a law to the federal

571
00:45:53,557 --> 00:45:59,317
government in that you are not allowed to trample this but you do it every day anyway yeah okay

572
00:45:59,317 --> 00:46:04,637
there's a book called three felonies a day that you should read man it's by a harvard scholar that

573
00:46:04,637 --> 00:46:09,657
describes how there's so many you have i've read it yeah awesome yeah so we're on the same page

574
00:46:09,657 --> 00:46:14,097
that when we got to talk about laws and the ridiculous size of the government and how

575
00:46:14,097 --> 00:46:18,817
corrupt it can become and is all it takes is for the federal government to come after you and they

576
00:46:18,817 --> 00:46:25,137
can get you there's more laws than they can count hence my stance you realize this you fully realize

577
00:46:25,137 --> 00:46:30,817
this you realize the system is broken you realize it's broken you realize that you're not going to

578
00:46:30,817 --> 00:46:37,457
get them to vote their power away or their money away or their fame away uh but yet you think for

579
00:46:37,457 --> 00:46:43,917
some reason that putting your hat in the ring every time every once in a few years is a worthwhile

580
00:46:43,917 --> 00:46:58,573
objective i only done that once i don know where the once in a few years and now that i done it once I never have to listen to people saying what have you done to try to fix things I talking about voting You voting someone into office for what purpose They corrupt

581
00:46:58,833 --> 00:47:02,733
Oh, I see what you're saying. I'm sorry. I'm not going to they're not going to affect any change.

582
00:47:02,833 --> 00:47:08,373
You know, they can't because the system's corrupt. So you're voting for someone to go in and be status quo.

583
00:47:08,693 --> 00:47:12,953
Yeah, it's it's manipulation because they believe it matters.

584
00:47:12,953 --> 00:47:17,533
And if you believe that your vote matters, you are going to go vote.

585
00:47:17,713 --> 00:47:30,173
The closed nature of the system and the private nature of the corporations that are running as political parties, they understand how to weaponize, manipulate and project those beliefs in a way that gets people to the voting booth.

586
00:47:30,593 --> 00:47:35,553
So that's why people think that they, oh, all we have to do is get Obama into office and it will all change.

587
00:47:35,633 --> 00:47:38,213
All we got to do is get Trump out of office and it'll all change.

588
00:47:38,513 --> 00:47:40,993
All we got to do is get Trump back into office and it'll all change.

589
00:47:41,413 --> 00:47:42,273
It's even worse.

590
00:47:42,273 --> 00:47:44,493
We've got to win the midterms and it'll all change.

591
00:47:44,893 --> 00:47:50,853
You've got a Congress and the voting turnout for Congress is far lower than the presidency.

592
00:47:51,573 --> 00:47:57,233
Everyone looks to whoever the sock puppet is in the presidency and goes, oh, they're going to make change.

593
00:47:57,553 --> 00:47:58,813
Look, they don't make law.

594
00:47:59,053 --> 00:47:59,473
They don't.

595
00:47:59,553 --> 00:48:04,453
They can write an executive order and the next guy or gal that comes in, stroke of a pen, it's gone.

596
00:48:04,713 --> 00:48:05,413
It's a nothing.

597
00:48:05,593 --> 00:48:07,853
Anything one president can do, the next one can undo.

598
00:48:07,853 --> 00:48:09,533
It's a feel good.

599
00:48:09,533 --> 00:48:14,273
Let me rile my base up and get them charged so that they'll vote harder next time.

600
00:48:14,813 --> 00:48:18,633
And at the end of the day, it doesn't make any progress whatsoever.

601
00:48:18,973 --> 00:48:28,313
So, you know, and then you've got the 13 to 17 percent dismal approval rating that Congress hovers at and has for a guy I don't even remember.

602
00:48:29,033 --> 00:48:33,313
You know, and people, you know, don't understand that 60s and 70s.

603
00:48:33,373 --> 00:48:36,433
It really started to go down and with Watergate and it never.

604
00:48:36,613 --> 00:48:39,253
Yeah. I mean, I was I was around for Nixon. Right.

605
00:48:39,253 --> 00:48:48,513
I wasn't aware of my surroundings during that time, but I remember Carter, you know, and I can tell you every single one of them has been a disaster.

606
00:48:48,673 --> 00:48:49,513
Bar none.

607
00:48:50,093 --> 00:48:54,613
You know, Ronald Reagan's a conservative powerhouse that everyone's like, oh, Ronald Reagan.

608
00:48:54,713 --> 00:48:57,373
That guy ushered in the Department of Education.

609
00:48:57,573 --> 00:48:58,533
He finalized it.

610
00:48:58,593 --> 00:49:00,593
He sealed the nail in that coffin.

611
00:49:01,453 --> 00:49:05,393
And, you know, so you can't find a hero here.

612
00:49:05,613 --> 00:49:05,893
None.

613
00:49:06,313 --> 00:49:06,833
Yep.

614
00:49:06,833 --> 00:49:12,893
And the ones that come out as heroes get squashed like a bug.

615
00:49:13,293 --> 00:49:13,553
Bye.

616
00:49:14,193 --> 00:49:16,713
So that's my whole take on it, right?

617
00:49:17,313 --> 00:49:18,833
That's why it's too late to save America.

618
00:49:19,213 --> 00:49:22,353
I don't know if you've realized that, but it's too late to save America.

619
00:49:23,013 --> 00:49:24,973
Here's a book that I would urge you to read.

620
00:49:25,453 --> 00:49:26,753
It's not a long book.

621
00:49:26,833 --> 00:49:27,893
It's a very short book.

622
00:49:27,973 --> 00:49:30,573
It's by a gentleman named Lysander Spooner.

623
00:49:31,413 --> 00:49:31,553
Okay?

624
00:49:32,013 --> 00:49:32,333
Lysander.

625
00:49:32,553 --> 00:49:33,073
What a name.

626
00:49:33,293 --> 00:49:34,013
Lysander Spooner.

627
00:49:34,013 --> 00:49:36,113
L-Y-S-A-N-D-E-R.

628
00:49:36,113 --> 00:49:42,613
last name spooner just like you would think um and he actually started a company called the american

629
00:49:42,613 --> 00:49:50,833
american letter mail company okay and it did things cheaper faster and better than the postal

630
00:49:50,833 --> 00:49:57,793
service would uh he was taken to task ended up in the supreme court and so a lot of this is

631
00:49:57,793 --> 00:50:02,493
detailing that whole thing can't compete with the government and business if the government decides

632
00:50:02,493 --> 00:50:08,273
to get into business for any industry you can't compete with them yeah well it's they they made it

633
00:50:08,273 --> 00:50:13,713
that way right they didn't he was competing but then they came back and made it illegal for him

634
00:50:13,713 --> 00:50:19,513
to compete with the government yeah that's why so yeah there you go so but you know the the title of

635
00:50:19,513 --> 00:50:31,413
the book uh uh is called um oh no treason the constitution of no authority okay and one of his

636
00:50:31,413 --> 00:50:39,653
arguments is, but whether the Constitution be one thing or another, this much is true. It has

637
00:50:39,653 --> 00:50:46,293
either authorized such a government as we have, or it has been powerless to prevent it. In either

638
00:50:46,293 --> 00:50:54,413
case, it is unfit to exist. And it's an argument that's worth mulling around in your brain,

639
00:50:54,653 --> 00:51:00,493
and look at his book and read through that book, and I think you'll come away with an opinion that

640
00:51:00,493 --> 00:51:04,993
makes you want to dig into things a little bit more and really understand.

641
00:51:05,613 --> 00:51:12,753
Let me ask you this. Do you agree that the average American today lives a life that is

642
00:51:12,753 --> 00:51:18,853
objectively superior to royalty at any point in human history before about 100 years ago?

643
00:51:19,893 --> 00:51:20,873
Absolutely not.

644
00:51:21,433 --> 00:51:27,113
Absolutely not. Education, transportation, sanitation, access to food and water,

645
00:51:27,113 --> 00:51:28,573
communication.

646
00:51:29,553 --> 00:51:30,733
Royalty had all that.

647
00:51:30,973 --> 00:51:32,593
The most successful...

648
00:51:32,593 --> 00:51:35,853
Genghis Khan himself could not get access to Spotify.

649
00:51:36,313 --> 00:51:39,993
He'd say, bring me all of the best musicians in the land,

650
00:51:40,333 --> 00:51:43,633
and he'd get three guitarists from the neighboring,

651
00:51:43,953 --> 00:51:45,493
and he'd have to hope that they were good.

652
00:51:45,733 --> 00:51:47,113
He'd say, bring me a harem,

653
00:51:47,113 --> 00:51:50,813
and he'd get 20 good-looking women from the immediate area.

654
00:51:51,133 --> 00:51:52,773
You got Pornhub, my friend.

655
00:51:53,693 --> 00:51:56,153
Hey, go find the finest chefs in the world

656
00:51:56,153 --> 00:51:57,233
and have them make me dinner.

657
00:51:57,353 --> 00:51:58,653
You got DoorDash, baby.

658
00:51:58,933 --> 00:52:09,909
They bring that crap to your face That stuff has been chemically enhanced to change your understanding of the meaning of delicious That how good that food is It poison You want to go How about transportation

659
00:52:10,249 --> 00:52:13,069
You can fly across the world in a day.

660
00:52:13,789 --> 00:52:17,229
Compare that to royalty before 100 years ago.

661
00:52:17,369 --> 00:52:19,749
Sanitation, education, health care.

662
00:52:19,929 --> 00:52:21,709
No, you talk for a long time.

663
00:52:21,989 --> 00:52:22,869
It's my turn.

664
00:52:22,949 --> 00:52:23,649
You got to listen.

665
00:52:24,189 --> 00:52:25,649
You need to be able to accept.

666
00:52:26,429 --> 00:52:27,489
Bring it down.

667
00:52:27,489 --> 00:52:29,409
Well, you keep trying to talk over me, baby.

668
00:52:29,409 --> 00:52:30,409
I got a command voice.

669
00:52:30,409 --> 00:52:32,249
No, man, I'm trying to finish a complete sentence.

670
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:33,809
So bring it down a little.

671
00:52:33,809 --> 00:52:37,729
You're telling me you didn't talk for like a good 10 minutes just a second ago?

672
00:52:37,869 --> 00:52:41,229
Are you telling me I wasn't sitting here listening to you and now you ain't going to let me talk to you?

673
00:52:41,489 --> 00:52:42,049
Is that what you're telling me?

674
00:52:42,049 --> 00:52:43,569
No, I'm listening to you, but you're saying something.

675
00:52:43,569 --> 00:52:43,989
No, you ain't.

676
00:52:44,649 --> 00:52:45,489
A hundred years ago in Buckingham Palace.

677
00:52:45,489 --> 00:52:47,569
You ain't listening because you're listening to reply.

678
00:52:48,009 --> 00:52:49,309
You're not listening to understand.

679
00:52:49,389 --> 00:52:50,509
That's why you keep interrupting me.

680
00:52:50,749 --> 00:52:52,229
That's why I didn't interrupt you.

681
00:52:52,229 --> 00:52:54,749
It's because I was listening to understand what you were saying.

682
00:52:55,049 --> 00:52:58,049
But when I start talking and you hear something you disagree with,

683
00:52:58,049 --> 00:53:01,609
You want to talk and you immediately want to jump into it because you're not listening to understand.

684
00:53:01,929 --> 00:53:03,129
You're listening to reply.

685
00:53:03,669 --> 00:53:11,149
Now, what I'm trying to explain to you is using the objective evidence and the facts of the reality that exists outside of your subjective perspective.

686
00:53:11,149 --> 00:53:27,489
It is objectively true that in any quality, in any criteria that you use to evaluate the lives of the people that are alive today in America, education, transportation, access to food, access to clean water.

687
00:53:28,049 --> 00:53:34,209
Health care, whatever category you want to use to measure the quality of life for the individual.

688
00:53:34,209 --> 00:53:47,049
The average American lives a life that is superior to royalty before about 100 years ago when they were shitting and they're shitting and it's going down the castle walls into a pile outside.

689
00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:49,789
And that they I mean, I don't need to elaborate.

690
00:53:49,929 --> 00:53:50,649
You know what I'm talking about?

691
00:53:50,669 --> 00:53:52,129
I'm talking about Game of Thrones, son.

692
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:55,089
That's the way the majority of human history has lived.

693
00:53:55,089 --> 00:54:06,969
And now here we are, 2026 America, having this beautiful conversation over the Internet through these 4K webcams, recording, quantize, how do you say, quantize, however it does.

694
00:54:07,009 --> 00:54:12,089
It gets converted into binary data and goes to fucking space and comes back down and gets reconnected.

695
00:54:12,709 --> 00:54:14,909
I mean, we're living in an age of wonders.

696
00:54:14,909 --> 00:54:27,189
And the only thing I wanted to get to is if we could agree on the basic truth that you don't seem to want to acknowledge, which is fine, that we are living this great modern life of comfort and leisure and plenty.

697
00:54:27,849 --> 00:54:30,169
You know, everybody's got a digital harem in their pockets.

698
00:54:31,009 --> 00:54:39,989
So can we agree that along with all the negative that has happened since the Constitution was drafted, that some good things have happened as well?

699
00:54:39,989 --> 00:54:41,749
Infant mortality is down.

700
00:54:42,149 --> 00:54:43,589
You know, there's so much plenty.

701
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:52,469
The nation of America, take away the empire, but the nation of America has so much generosity and charity, nobody would starve.

702
00:54:52,869 --> 00:55:01,049
Nobody literally if you walked out right now and decided not to ever eat again, but you went to a city and you sat down and you held a sign, have not eaten in two days.

703
00:55:01,369 --> 00:55:02,449
Somebody is going to feed you.

704
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:08,949
And if you are if you can't find any random person, the city is probably going to have some kind of resource for you to go to.

705
00:55:09,089 --> 00:55:10,629
And if not, there will be a church.

706
00:55:12,229 --> 00:55:13,529
So does that make sense?

707
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:17,629
that there has been some good stuff that's come along with all the negative stuff that's happened

708
00:55:17,629 --> 00:55:21,689
since the Constitution was drafted, and we kind of got away from what you consider the,

709
00:55:21,769 --> 00:55:27,929
has some good stuff happened too? Yeah, human beings have technologically advanced. Yes,

710
00:55:27,929 --> 00:55:31,909
I'll agree with that. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution, the government,

711
00:55:31,909 --> 00:55:37,929
or anything else. In fact, I would say government in general hampers innovation. You can just look

712
00:55:37,929 --> 00:55:42,209
at our space program, and then one gentleman has enough money. Next thing you know, he's doing

713
00:55:42,209 --> 00:55:48,969
things we couldn't do in 60 years. Right. So, yes, yes, we have technologically advanced. Is

714
00:55:48,969 --> 00:55:53,689
life better today than it was 100 years ago? Yes. Was life better 100 years ago than it was 200

715
00:55:53,689 --> 00:55:59,149
years ago? Absolutely. Was it better 200 years ago than 300 years? We can just keep doing this.

716
00:55:59,149 --> 00:56:06,649
Yes, things advance. But I don't think that has anything to do with a government whatsoever or a

717
00:56:06,649 --> 00:56:12,909
constitution. So, you know, that's, that's my stance on it. I think people will innovate over

718
00:56:12,909 --> 00:56:19,889
time. They have gunpowder came about, we innovated dynamite came about, we innovated, we created

719
00:56:19,889 --> 00:56:26,109
nuclear fusion, you know, fission, right. So, you know, it's, you don't think there's been a degree

720
00:56:26,109 --> 00:56:33,769
of exponential technological advancement over the last hundred years before the last, but from 1920

721
00:56:33,769 --> 00:56:34,569
We found electricity.

722
00:56:35,129 --> 00:56:36,309
We found electricity.

723
00:56:36,509 --> 00:56:39,849
Some gentleman, aside from the government, went out and found electricity.

724
00:56:40,189 --> 00:56:42,369
And boom, next thing you know, you've got technology.

725
00:56:42,689 --> 00:56:43,629
How long was fire?

726
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:44,469
Our only light source.

727
00:56:44,469 --> 00:56:49,249
Some gentleman goes out there and finds a computer chip and starts out computing.

728
00:56:49,449 --> 00:56:50,409
And oh, yeah, we innovate.

729
00:56:50,529 --> 00:56:52,089
But that wasn't the government that did it.

730
00:56:52,089 --> 00:56:59,349
It was a human being, a private individual somewhere that had the will to create something.

731
00:56:59,349 --> 00:57:00,309
Not by himself, though, right?

732
00:57:00,889 --> 00:57:01,629
Not by himself, though.

733
00:57:01,629 --> 00:57:03,629
Well, no, with a team of other individuals.

734
00:57:03,629 --> 00:57:08,909
And if you have a team of individuals together, don't you have to have some kind of law or regulation to keep them from hurting each other?

735
00:57:09,009 --> 00:57:10,709
No, I don't think so.

736
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:11,909
Stealing from each other.

737
00:57:12,409 --> 00:57:22,486
Communities don need rules and laws I live I live nobody said no rules Okay we all we all with some very fine exceptions right

738
00:57:22,586 --> 00:57:23,586
I mean, a few exceptions.

739
00:57:23,966 --> 00:57:27,446
We all have a built-in kind of a feeling like that, right?

740
00:57:27,846 --> 00:57:30,106
You know it's not okay to go take someone's stuff.

741
00:57:30,226 --> 00:57:32,466
You know it's not okay to harm someone's stuff.

742
00:57:32,466 --> 00:57:34,386
And you know it's not okay to harm them.

743
00:57:34,506 --> 00:57:38,906
I live in rural America, and I'm telling you, we all get along just fine.

744
00:57:38,906 --> 00:57:45,586
nobody nobody's out here disrespecting anyone and trying to cause problems and we handle most of that

745
00:57:45,586 --> 00:57:50,906
stuff on our own if that there's i think it's thomas hobbs who wrote the i can't remember which

746
00:57:50,906 --> 00:57:56,026
of the enlightenment thinkers but uh if angels if men were angels government would not be necessary

747
00:57:56,026 --> 00:58:01,006
i agree with you on that but that's not if you don't think we have every every ounce of human

748
00:58:01,006 --> 00:58:08,446
history says that that's wrong okay if you don't think people can be trusted to to be kind and and

749
00:58:08,446 --> 00:58:10,046
follow things with themselves.

750
00:58:10,046 --> 00:58:11,666
I didn't say that.

751
00:58:11,946 --> 00:58:18,306
Then how is it that you think that electing certain people to govern all of them is going

752
00:58:18,306 --> 00:58:18,866
to work out?

753
00:58:19,306 --> 00:58:21,986
Who said I believe that, first of all?

754
00:58:22,646 --> 00:58:26,526
Well, that's the argument you're making, that government is necessary or people will harm

755
00:58:26,526 --> 00:58:27,006
themselves.

756
00:58:27,566 --> 00:58:31,226
And if you make that argument, you're essentially saying people will harm themselves without

757
00:58:31,226 --> 00:58:31,786
a government.

758
00:58:32,126 --> 00:58:36,546
But we're going to put people in government to make sure that other people don't harm

759
00:58:36,546 --> 00:58:37,006
themselves.

760
00:58:37,006 --> 00:58:46,106
Are there any codes, laws, or rules that could exist besides government that could help people decide not to harm each other?

761
00:58:47,166 --> 00:58:48,426
Yeah, the golden rule.

762
00:58:49,146 --> 00:58:50,246
Torches and pitchforks.

763
00:58:50,586 --> 00:58:52,646
There you go, the threat of consequences.

764
00:58:52,646 --> 00:58:55,106
That'll work too, which is also law.

765
00:58:55,906 --> 00:58:59,826
It also becomes a practical matter of self-defense, right, at the end of the day.

766
00:59:00,446 --> 00:59:02,646
It becomes a practical matter of self-defense.

767
00:59:02,646 --> 00:59:08,786
The practical matter of self-defense for all life is to secure resources in a world of competition.

768
00:59:09,106 --> 00:59:11,166
Limited resources in a world of competition.

769
00:59:11,466 --> 00:59:12,686
It is survival of the fittest.

770
00:59:13,086 --> 00:59:15,206
It is, I'm going to take your shit because I'm bigger than you.

771
00:59:15,946 --> 00:59:16,186
Okay.

772
00:59:16,246 --> 00:59:17,466
Well, that's anarchy.

773
00:59:17,786 --> 00:59:19,586
That's what anarchy creates.

774
00:59:20,406 --> 00:59:21,386
Well, no, it doesn't.

775
00:59:21,386 --> 00:59:21,906
So you're an anarchist.

776
00:59:21,906 --> 00:59:23,046
You've got plenty of examples.

777
00:59:23,366 --> 00:59:23,886
It's America.

778
00:59:24,186 --> 00:59:24,806
Yeah, I am.

779
00:59:24,866 --> 00:59:29,466
I am, but it doesn't mean you've got the wrong idea on what anarchy is.

780
00:59:29,766 --> 00:59:30,906
Anarchy is very simple.

781
00:59:30,906 --> 00:59:40,686
it's it's literally two two and archie and meaning without archie rulers rulers okay it doesn't

782
00:59:40,686 --> 00:59:45,926
necessarily mean there are no rules for a civil society the rules who enforces the rules if there

783
00:59:45,926 --> 00:59:51,646
are no if there are rules who enforces them you each individual enforces them it's kind of how it

784
00:59:51,646 --> 00:59:56,866
works today no we have a government today and rules and laws and regulations after the fact

785
00:59:56,866 --> 01:00:01,066
They come after the fact and determine you've broken a rule.

786
01:00:01,466 --> 01:00:02,906
That's how enforcement works, yes.

787
01:00:03,246 --> 01:00:03,986
That's how enforcement works.

788
01:00:03,986 --> 01:00:05,386
It doesn't stop it from happening.

789
01:00:05,386 --> 01:00:16,226
It only means that there's some kind of a, you're just changing it from the person defending is responsible for their own sovereignty and their own safety.

790
01:00:16,226 --> 01:00:18,706
Are you saying that you can stop bad things from happening?

791
01:00:19,306 --> 01:00:20,006
Is that what you were saying?

792
01:00:20,206 --> 01:00:25,046
That a regulation law comes back and the enforcement applies after it has already happened.

793
01:00:25,046 --> 01:00:28,746
Are you saying that you know a world where bad things don't happen?

794
01:00:30,026 --> 01:00:30,686
Nobody knows that.

795
01:00:30,686 --> 01:00:32,146
That people don't hurt each other?

796
01:00:32,566 --> 01:00:36,686
Anarchy is no guarantee that people won't hurt each other or form gangs and rob people.

797
01:00:36,686 --> 01:00:37,886
It's a guarantee that people will.

798
01:00:37,926 --> 01:00:43,786
Government is a guarantee that it will happen in a legalized plunder way.

799
01:00:44,106 --> 01:00:44,386
Period.

800
01:00:45,106 --> 01:00:45,946
Imminent domain.

801
01:00:46,086 --> 01:00:47,006
We're just taking your stuff.

802
01:00:47,086 --> 01:00:47,426
Too bad.

803
01:00:47,506 --> 01:00:47,726
Sorry.

804
01:00:47,906 --> 01:00:48,286
Go away.

805
01:00:48,546 --> 01:00:48,786
Yes.

806
01:00:48,966 --> 01:00:51,306
Force is required to enforce rules.

807
01:00:51,846 --> 01:00:52,526
You are correct.

808
01:00:52,526 --> 01:00:56,226
And again, you can enforce your own individual rules.

809
01:00:56,746 --> 01:01:02,466
And if everybody's following their own rules and there's no external rule enforcement, then there are no rules.

810
01:01:02,606 --> 01:01:04,366
It's just people doing whatever the hell they want.

811
01:01:05,066 --> 01:01:06,066
That's not what rules are.

812
01:01:06,186 --> 01:01:08,286
Rules govern people, not a person.

813
01:01:09,106 --> 01:01:16,006
I mean, they govern a person, but your rules are created in a way that is designed to make the collective work.

814
01:01:16,506 --> 01:01:18,226
The team has to have rules.

815
01:01:19,126 --> 01:01:21,806
Each individual person cannot do their own thing.

816
01:01:21,806 --> 01:01:26,166
It's that's not how teamwork they can work together for a survival need or something.

817
01:01:26,566 --> 01:01:36,626
But there's going to have to be some kind of rule for that guy who didn't go on the hunt that now he thinks that he deserves, you know, most of the meat just because he woke up whenever we came back.

818
01:01:36,786 --> 01:01:42,506
Like, no, there's going to have to be some kind of rule about who gets the meat, you know, who participates in the survival defense.

819
01:01:42,906 --> 01:01:45,826
And all of those rules require a degree of force.

820
01:01:45,826 --> 01:01:49,986
And once that force is applied on the group as a collective, you have created government.

821
01:01:50,406 --> 01:01:54,586
Whether you want to acknowledge it as government or not, that's what the Constitution is supposed to be.

822
01:01:54,586 --> 01:02:04,606
All of these things have been proven by history, so the Constitution was supposed to be creating a form of government that minimizes that requirement, absolutely minimizes it.

823
01:02:04,666 --> 01:02:07,306
That's why individual liberty was considered so sacred.

824
01:02:07,686 --> 01:02:14,686
It's also unique in the history of the entire human species that this level of individual freedom has been explored.

825
01:02:14,686 --> 01:02:20,906
And the dangerous part of it, I love you, Havoc, is your mentality, which is that I don't need government at all, which is fine.

826
01:02:20,946 --> 01:02:23,626
If you want to live that way, you should be able to do that.

827
01:02:23,826 --> 01:02:29,946
But if you are going to live in shared society, if you're going to take advantage of any of the...

828
01:02:29,982 --> 01:02:35,742
The resources that lead to the innovations you're talking about, as soon as your one-person team

829
01:02:35,742 --> 01:02:41,682
he needs to drive to a road or have a fire department or any of those things,

830
01:02:41,682 --> 01:02:45,902
then you have to come into society and obey the rules along with everybody else.

831
01:02:46,682 --> 01:02:50,602
It's okay that you're an anarchy. I'll be honest with you, man. I flirted with anarchy for a while.

832
01:02:50,942 --> 01:02:51,162
I did.

833
01:02:51,662 --> 01:02:54,542
You and I blatantly disagree, and that's okay, right?

834
01:02:54,722 --> 01:02:57,042
That's a good thing. That's what America is, yeah.

835
01:02:57,042 --> 01:03:02,962
um but i disagree with all that i have a 300 yard gravel driveway nobody takes care of that but me

836
01:03:02,962 --> 01:03:08,242
i'm more than capable of taking care of my local road running water with with my neighbors yeah i

837
01:03:08,242 --> 01:03:14,582
have a well i do okay so i paid for a well to be dug and i pay for the the pump not plugged into

838
01:03:14,582 --> 01:03:22,642
the grid nope and i'm i'm on propane so you know where do you get the propane from i get it from a

839
01:03:22,642 --> 01:03:24,702
local company. I just switched

840
01:03:24,702 --> 01:03:26,642
companies not too long ago.

841
01:03:27,062 --> 01:03:28,762
Do you have to drive to get to it or do they

842
01:03:28,762 --> 01:03:30,642
have to drive to get to it? You're

843
01:03:30,642 --> 01:03:31,382
connected, brother.

844
01:03:32,542 --> 01:03:34,582
Roads are just big flat

845
01:03:34,582 --> 01:03:36,622
things. Government doesn't make

846
01:03:36,622 --> 01:03:38,642
roads. Government takes funds

847
01:03:38,642 --> 01:03:40,242
and appropriates them.

848
01:03:41,222 --> 01:03:41,742
Government

849
01:03:41,742 --> 01:03:44,502
Okay, we disagree.

850
01:03:44,622 --> 01:03:46,362
Where did our interstate system come from?

851
01:03:47,022 --> 01:03:48,762
What is your favorite comic book series?

852
01:03:50,022 --> 01:03:50,882
Oh, man.

853
01:03:50,882 --> 01:03:53,162
Punisher Max

854
01:03:53,162 --> 01:03:55,682
Punisher Max by Garth Ennis

855
01:03:55,682 --> 01:03:58,102
The pencils I think

856
01:03:58,102 --> 01:03:59,502
Oh man I'm going to say his name wrong

857
01:03:59,502 --> 01:04:01,922
Gorlan Parlov

858
01:04:01,922 --> 01:04:04,182
It might be something else

859
01:04:04,182 --> 01:04:06,162
But the art and the writing

860
01:04:06,162 --> 01:04:08,562
Anybody who's wanting to get into comic books

861
01:04:08,562 --> 01:04:09,582
And you think it's for kids

862
01:04:09,582 --> 01:04:12,582
Marvel released a series called

863
01:04:12,582 --> 01:04:13,242
Max

864
01:04:13,242 --> 01:04:16,182
Marvel Max and they had Wolverine Max

865
01:04:16,182 --> 01:04:17,982
Deadpool Max, Fury Max

866
01:04:17,982 --> 01:04:18,662
And

867
01:04:18,662 --> 01:04:20,822
Punisher Max

868
01:04:21,302 --> 01:04:26,342
Garth Ennis, the guy who wrote The Boys and he wrote Invincible.

869
01:04:26,622 --> 01:04:28,642
He wrote a bunch of great things that are now production.

870
01:04:28,842 --> 01:04:33,102
He wrote the Punisher Max series and he wrote the Fury Max series.

871
01:04:33,602 --> 01:04:40,922
And that's one of the biggest pieces of evidence that I have that Disney does not know what the hell they're doing with their intellectual property.

872
01:04:41,122 --> 01:04:49,462
Because they haven't turned Fury Max and Punisher Max and Barracuda Max into some kind of like an animated series or something.

873
01:04:49,462 --> 01:04:52,282
because it's some of the best Marvel stories that you'll read.

874
01:04:53,682 --> 01:04:55,722
You didn't think I'd be ready to answer that question

875
01:04:55,722 --> 01:04:57,382
since you tried to take me sideways.

876
01:04:57,582 --> 01:04:58,582
I'm on top of you, Havik.

877
01:04:59,282 --> 01:05:00,722
No, I'm happy you did.

878
01:05:00,942 --> 01:05:01,322
I'm happy.

879
01:05:01,322 --> 01:05:01,802
What about y'all?

880
01:05:01,862 --> 01:05:02,482
Do y'all read comics?

881
01:05:03,542 --> 01:05:05,542
I haven't since I was a young kid.

882
01:05:05,622 --> 01:05:07,582
My favorite was the X-Men.

883
01:05:08,182 --> 01:05:13,002
And honestly, my favorite character from the X-Men was Banff or Nightcrawler.

884
01:05:13,362 --> 01:05:13,662
Yeah.

885
01:05:14,642 --> 01:05:15,462
He wasn't in.

886
01:05:15,502 --> 01:05:17,362
I was going to say it was at the 90s X-Men,

887
01:05:17,362 --> 01:05:20,662
but he was in Excalibur in the 90s.

888
01:05:20,762 --> 01:05:21,122
Nightcrawler.

889
01:05:22,082 --> 01:05:25,162
No, I think this was in the 80s he showed up in the 80s.

890
01:05:25,162 --> 01:05:27,042
Yeah, no, he was Uncanny X-Men in the 80s.

891
01:05:27,482 --> 01:05:28,022
Yep, yep.

892
01:05:29,022 --> 01:05:32,182
And I always just really liked the character.

893
01:05:32,422 --> 01:05:34,802
He wasn't the best superhero out there.

894
01:05:35,162 --> 01:05:35,622
I do too.

895
01:05:35,742 --> 01:05:36,382
I'll be honest with you.

896
01:05:36,462 --> 01:05:38,122
In the comics, he wasn't really my favorite.

897
01:05:38,202 --> 01:05:40,502
He had a great design, but he just wasn't interesting.

898
01:05:40,682 --> 01:05:43,702
But I'll be honest, the new X-Men 97

899
01:05:43,702 --> 01:05:47,402
and even some of the older X-Men animated series,

900
01:05:47,542 --> 01:05:49,202
Nightcrawler is a great character.

901
01:05:49,782 --> 01:05:51,742
I don't know if you've watched that latest season.

902
01:05:51,862 --> 01:05:52,842
I don't want to ruin it for you,

903
01:05:52,902 --> 01:05:55,582
but they do him justice in there to the point that

904
01:05:55,582 --> 01:05:57,542
he's one of the best characters on the show.

905
01:05:58,602 --> 01:05:59,542
I haven't seen it.

906
01:06:00,162 --> 01:06:04,802
X-Men, Jim Lee's run in X-Men is the definitive,

907
01:06:05,102 --> 01:06:07,382
I mean, that's the pinnacle of comic art right there.

908
01:06:07,882 --> 01:06:11,182
When they split the team into blue team and gold team

909
01:06:11,182 --> 01:06:15,122
and they started a new X-Men series that was just X-Men.

910
01:06:15,242 --> 01:06:19,362
I forget what volume it is by now, but it was just X-Men.

911
01:06:19,942 --> 01:06:23,162
And Jim Lee did the first like 11 issues and he had,

912
01:06:23,282 --> 01:06:25,822
there was a Ghost Rider guest star, man.

913
01:06:25,962 --> 01:06:26,502
It was awesome.

914
01:06:26,662 --> 01:06:29,082
That's the best comic art I've ever seen.

915
01:06:29,882 --> 01:06:31,182
Jim Lee's X-Men run.

916
01:06:32,362 --> 01:06:33,362
Nice, nice.

917
01:06:34,242 --> 01:06:38,622
So what would be your favorite superhero then?

918
01:06:39,202 --> 01:06:39,562
Batman.

919
01:06:40,402 --> 01:06:40,922
Batman.

920
01:06:40,922 --> 01:06:46,442
And it's not close. Batman represents the pinnacle of human potential.

921
01:06:47,642 --> 01:06:59,962
I mean, he's there's a there's a core trauma to it that creates a character that is so driven and gifted that I mean,

922
01:06:59,962 --> 01:07:10,042
physical fitness wise, intellectually, tactically, strategically, you know, operationally, whatever you want to call it.

923
01:07:10,042 --> 01:07:13,462
And he's also, Batman's superpower is plot armor.

924
01:07:16,142 --> 01:07:19,702
He's going to be prepared for everything because the writers want him to be prepared for everything.

925
01:07:19,982 --> 01:07:25,242
But he's my favorite because it always seems plausible that he is two steps ahead of everybody.

926
01:07:26,722 --> 01:07:27,702
He hangs with Superman.

927
01:07:27,882 --> 01:07:29,662
He can beat the crap out of the whole Justice League.

928
01:07:30,102 --> 01:07:34,302
I was just going to say, that's my one area where the whole Batman versus Superman.

929
01:07:34,562 --> 01:07:35,242
I'm sorry, dude.

930
01:07:35,502 --> 01:07:35,742
No.

931
01:07:36,522 --> 01:07:49,385
Superman will never win because Batman protected by plot armor until Superman he did kill him in Red Sun In Red Sun it was an Elseworlds comic where Superman became Russian

932
01:07:49,385 --> 01:07:53,345
and he killed Stalin and became a dictator of the Soviet Union.

933
01:07:53,345 --> 01:07:56,865
And Batman was like this, I don't know, he died in one of,

934
01:07:56,885 --> 01:08:00,585
his parents died in one of the camps and he became like the Russian Batman.

935
01:08:00,965 --> 01:08:03,205
And in Red Sun, Superman kills him.

936
01:08:03,205 --> 01:08:10,485
so there are plenty of examples of that realistic probability but it's fictional and he's protected

937
01:08:10,485 --> 01:08:16,745
by the writers so it doesn't matter how superman doesn't matter how powerful superman is he's got

938
01:08:16,745 --> 01:08:23,125
absolutely and that is that is the reality of it yeah that's fine with me i i accept it yeah

939
01:08:23,125 --> 01:08:27,745
that's fine with me he's still awesome he's that's why he's the greatest superhero is depending on

940
01:08:27,745 --> 01:08:32,965
the writer you can truly believe that he can beat the whole justice league and he's just a guy

941
01:08:32,965 --> 01:08:35,365
so that's why he's the best superhero

942
01:08:35,365 --> 01:08:37,385
best written

943
01:08:37,385 --> 01:08:39,225
best everything in my opinion

944
01:08:39,225 --> 01:08:41,085
but I mean

945
01:08:41,085 --> 01:08:43,245
I can come up with plenty of alternatives

946
01:08:43,245 --> 01:08:44,785
LX did you want to ask me something

947
01:08:44,785 --> 01:08:47,245
me and Havoc started arguing and LX is just sitting over there

948
01:08:47,245 --> 01:08:49,525
like these two guys won't shut up

949
01:08:49,525 --> 01:08:51,525
I'm a little nervous

950
01:08:51,525 --> 01:08:53,205
I don't want to steer things back in a

951
01:08:53,205 --> 01:08:54,085
political direction

952
01:08:54,085 --> 01:08:57,745
I'm very apolitical

953
01:08:57,745 --> 01:08:59,565
as long as Havoc agrees

954
01:08:59,565 --> 01:09:00,145
that I'm right

955
01:09:00,145 --> 01:09:01,445
I won't say anything

956
01:09:01,445 --> 01:09:10,345
but i am very curious about your congressional run i want to know stories you can tell us like

957
01:09:10,345 --> 01:09:14,945
just from a personal perspective i knew a guy that ran locally for like the board of county

958
01:09:14,945 --> 01:09:20,225
commissioners and the shenanigans that went around just in this little local election like

959
01:09:20,225 --> 01:09:26,325
he was approached by party representatives and you know they said hey you know we switch you to

960
01:09:26,325 --> 01:09:30,505
our party we'll pay for an apartment you know in this other district so you don't have to run

961
01:09:30,505 --> 01:09:35,865
against our guy and this and this is just local stuff all this you know shenanigans going i can

962
01:09:35,865 --> 01:09:41,885
only imagine the stories that you could tell us what goes on i don't have anything as interesting

963
01:09:41,885 --> 01:09:48,345
as that i mean that's to be honest with you that the only thing i think about in that situation is

964
01:09:48,345 --> 01:09:54,985
liz cheney i want everybody to remember that liz cheney did not live in wyoming she moved back to

965
01:09:54,985 --> 01:10:00,245
Wyoming to run for Congress, to leverage her father's contacts and networks in that state

966
01:10:00,245 --> 01:10:06,185
to run for Congress and win, and then go to Congress and try to be the anti-Trump voice

967
01:10:06,185 --> 01:10:12,585
that leads Republicans away from MAGA. It backfired on her. She got booted. And guess where she lives?

968
01:10:12,665 --> 01:10:17,325
Guess what? It's not in Wyoming. She lived back in D.C. She's always been a D.C. person.

969
01:10:17,845 --> 01:10:23,005
But that kind of crap where you move into the district just so you can run in that district

970
01:10:23,005 --> 01:10:28,425
with the backing of it defeats the entire purpose of bottom-up politics.

971
01:10:29,985 --> 01:10:34,345
But from my personal experiences, I don't have anything close to that good.

972
01:10:36,785 --> 01:10:41,485
I mean, the most specific anecdote I can tell you is that I ran for Congress

973
01:10:41,485 --> 01:10:46,785
in Louisiana's 5th District in 2020, which was the same year that Kanye West

974
01:10:46,785 --> 01:10:49,085
ran for president in the birthday party.

975
01:10:49,085 --> 01:10:53,265
and I got more votes for Congress in the 5th District

976
01:10:53,265 --> 01:10:56,445
than Kanye West got in Louisiana for president.

977
01:10:57,305 --> 01:11:01,165
So I will always have that, and no one can ever take it from me.

978
01:11:01,505 --> 01:11:04,385
And if Kanye ever hears this, just recognize I understand

979
01:11:04,385 --> 01:11:06,525
that you're richer than I am and more talented,

980
01:11:06,745 --> 01:11:08,025
but I got more votes, bro.

981
01:11:09,645 --> 01:11:13,325
Do you still have a garage full of yard signs and T-shirts?

982
01:11:13,325 --> 01:11:15,805
I did. All the yard signs were out.

983
01:11:15,905 --> 01:11:17,705
The district hated me by the time I was done

984
01:11:17,705 --> 01:11:22,525
because I had so many signs, man. I was convinced if I could just get my name out there and in the

985
01:11:22,525 --> 01:11:27,005
smartphone age, people could pull out their phones and just say, who is Matt Hastie? Why do I see his

986
01:11:27,005 --> 01:11:31,385
signs everywhere? And if they looked me up and saw kind of my background and heard some of my

987
01:11:31,385 --> 01:11:37,145
speeches or read some of my positions, because Havoc, I'm with you, man. I wanted elected

988
01:11:37,145 --> 01:11:41,985
officials to wear body cams. I mean, I'm talking about a radical overhaul of how our government

989
01:11:41,985 --> 01:11:49,725
functions and you know how because it all needs to be reduced massively uh but what i learned

990
01:11:49,725 --> 01:11:58,045
during the process it was very i tried to i sold my motorcycle and tried to run on my retire move

991
01:11:58,045 --> 01:12:03,485
back in with my mom i ran on like my retirement pay so it was a buttload of signs and interviews

992
01:12:03,485 --> 01:12:10,685
like you know this with the news every they have debates so there's different stuff like that but

993
01:12:10,685 --> 01:12:23,925
But without the level of money that you get from one of those two parties or another chunk of serious voters, because it's also nobody wants to get caught donating to the wrong side.

994
01:12:24,405 --> 01:12:27,545
You have to pick if you're going to pick a side, you have to pick a side.

995
01:12:27,785 --> 01:12:30,225
Most people try to stay out of it or they already have their team.

996
01:12:30,505 --> 01:12:36,725
They're not going to go for somebody who's, you know, this retired soldier who wants to be in Congress.

997
01:12:36,725 --> 01:12:48,665
And once you see the scale and the scope of the resources that are available to your opponents, you realize none of it is based on ideas.

998
01:12:48,665 --> 01:13:01,528
None of it is based on policy positions And the most damning part of it all is that the voters don care They pretend that they care It the same thing like that Everybody says they hate tabloid magazines

999
01:13:01,788 --> 01:13:05,828
but tabloid magazines, they make so much money. You know what I'm saying? Somebody's out there

1000
01:13:05,828 --> 01:13:10,108
buying these tabloid magazines, but everybody pretends that they don't care about celebrity

1001
01:13:10,108 --> 01:13:14,408
gossip. But that's what gets the clicks and the shares and the likes and the, you know,

1002
01:13:14,588 --> 01:13:19,708
so it's a lot like that with politics is that people say that they want change. They say that

1003
01:13:19,708 --> 01:13:24,328
they want something different. They say that they want to address what's wrong in politics,

1004
01:13:24,328 --> 01:13:32,648
but the idea of going outside of those two teams or outside of the people who are producing the

1005
01:13:32,648 --> 01:13:38,108
most, I don't know what to call it, the things that are being bought, the commercials, the 30

1006
01:13:38,108 --> 01:13:45,288
second spots, the flyers, the people calling and texting and all that costs money. And the people

1007
01:13:45,288 --> 01:13:48,948
who are throwing that stuff out there are the only ones that they'll really consider because

1008
01:13:48,948 --> 01:13:56,088
they're also the only ones that can pay influencers or you know have people go to bat for them

1009
01:13:56,088 --> 01:14:02,408
just because they're getting paycheck for them so it was very frustrating to realize that it's not

1010
01:14:02,408 --> 01:14:08,728
just the system itself at the top the government that's broken because the government is broken

1011
01:14:08,728 --> 01:14:13,388
but it's not just that it's not even just the election systems because the election systems

1012
01:14:13,388 --> 01:14:18,908
are also broken but it's also the population the population is broken they think that they want this

1013
01:14:18,908 --> 01:14:23,008
but they don't understand how difficult those kinds of changes are going to be.

1014
01:14:23,268 --> 01:14:24,628
That's why nobody can change anything.

1015
01:14:24,728 --> 01:14:27,708
It's because once Obama gets into office, Biden or Trump,

1016
01:14:28,428 --> 01:14:31,908
they know if they try to change anything, the optics are going to backlash

1017
01:14:31,908 --> 01:14:35,488
because everything's determined by democracy right now.

1018
01:14:35,588 --> 01:14:39,148
So if the optics backlash, they're going to feel it in the midterms

1019
01:14:39,148 --> 01:14:44,548
or the political weight that they have will disappear to accomplish any of their goals.

1020
01:14:44,688 --> 01:14:46,748
Look what's happening right now with immigration enforcement.

1021
01:14:46,748 --> 01:14:49,948
All they're trying to do is deport illegal criminals.

1022
01:14:50,948 --> 01:14:53,508
And, you know, you see what you see on the news.

1023
01:14:53,588 --> 01:14:54,728
You see what you see on the Internet.

1024
01:14:54,968 --> 01:15:06,168
They find the one out of 500,000 kids and put a camera in his face until the emotional factions of democracy have done their job.

1025
01:15:06,208 --> 01:15:08,788
And everybody says, oh, we have to be able to do this better.

1026
01:15:11,888 --> 01:15:12,968
Big question.

1027
01:15:13,108 --> 01:15:15,988
Are you getting another motorcycle or have you gotten another motorcycle?

1028
01:15:16,748 --> 01:15:24,948
I would love to, man, but I just, I can't afford it, first of all, but I also don't know how much I would ride it.

1029
01:15:25,068 --> 01:15:31,008
I'm getting to that age that, you know, if I fall on a motorcycle, I'll never be the same.

1030
01:15:31,428 --> 01:15:34,968
I already got a beaten up body from the military, so I don't think so.

1031
01:15:35,068 --> 01:15:35,968
I have thought about it.

1032
01:15:36,688 --> 01:15:37,088
Yeah.

1033
01:15:37,408 --> 01:15:38,968
Be very honest with you.

1034
01:15:39,388 --> 01:15:44,228
Like, living in the Carolinas, there's no way you'd get me on a motorcycle here.

1035
01:15:44,228 --> 01:15:45,408
Not a chance.

1036
01:15:45,688 --> 01:15:45,808
Why?

1037
01:15:45,808 --> 01:15:51,668
I don't know what it is, but I've had a better experience driving around in Mexico than driving here.

1038
01:15:51,868 --> 01:15:56,888
I mean, we have, I don't know where some of these people come from to drive.

1039
01:15:57,008 --> 01:15:59,388
Because you people drive worse than us Floridians do.

1040
01:15:59,668 --> 01:16:00,728
I've been there to visit.

1041
01:16:00,968 --> 01:16:01,088
I know.

1042
01:16:01,548 --> 01:16:02,508
You guys are nuts.

1043
01:16:02,968 --> 01:16:04,028
It's bad.

1044
01:16:04,268 --> 01:16:04,908
Is that what it is?

1045
01:16:04,928 --> 01:16:05,488
Is it the traffic?

1046
01:16:06,448 --> 01:16:06,808
Oh, yeah.

1047
01:16:06,808 --> 01:16:13,008
It's not the traffic so much as people doing things like, you know, I remember once, you know, big thunderstorm, right?

1048
01:16:13,008 --> 01:16:19,268
your visibility is pretty limited and i'm cruising down the street you know i'm going at a decent

1049
01:16:19,268 --> 01:16:24,148
clip because you know you can see there's not that many vehicles on the road but they're you

1050
01:16:24,148 --> 01:16:31,128
know there's traffic and you got yo-yos coming from like a two left hand turn lane the second one

1051
01:16:31,128 --> 01:16:38,308
the most out you know inside left turn lane yeah and stopped at a light and just go from there and

1052
01:16:38,308 --> 01:16:46,528
turn right across five lanes of traffic in in a thunderstorm with limited visibility and and you

1053
01:16:46,528 --> 01:16:52,928
know like red lights are suggestions i think that's what i was going to say when i visit you every time

1054
01:16:52,928 --> 01:16:59,688
the traffic lights are a suggestion like nobody actually uses them it's and so you're if you're

1055
01:16:59,688 --> 01:17:06,768
on a motorcycle man all of that stuff is like a recipe for very serious disaster i'm again i've

1056
01:17:06,768 --> 01:17:12,148
felt safer driving in Mexico than I have here. Yeah, I could see that. Well, that might have

1057
01:17:12,148 --> 01:17:15,908
sealed the deal. I don't think I'm interested in a motorcycle. I will tell you that Americans are

1058
01:17:15,908 --> 01:17:19,768
the worst driver. I've been around the world, man. I've been in over two dozen countries.

1059
01:17:20,188 --> 01:17:23,368
And I'll tell you right now, Americans are the worst drivers in the world, even in the Middle

1060
01:17:23,368 --> 01:17:28,068
East, where they don't really acknowledge road laws and they don't follow the signs or anything.

1061
01:17:29,048 --> 01:17:35,608
They're still kind of more cautious of taking turns, even if they're all just funneled right

1062
01:17:35,608 --> 01:17:41,348
there into that one funnel they they know how to you know you go then i go then you go then i go

1063
01:17:41,348 --> 01:17:45,988
and there's an element of i'll get off my you know motorcycle or i'll get out of my car and

1064
01:17:45,988 --> 01:17:52,708
beat you right here nobody will care but hey we've lost that in america yeah so everybody's

1065
01:17:52,708 --> 01:17:58,368
a jerk in traffic and everybody's a jerk online we've removed the consequences yeah that's true

1066
01:17:58,368 --> 01:18:15,191
Yeah yeah It an interesting world you know It really is It got its own unique challenges but you know hey every day when I wake up and I hear the roosters going and the geese yell at me and those stupid guinea hens start squabbling

1067
01:18:15,371 --> 01:18:18,051
and, you know, hey, I know it's going to be a good day.

1068
01:18:18,491 --> 01:18:18,951
That's right.

1069
01:18:19,471 --> 01:18:21,431
Every day is a blessing, man, full of grace.

1070
01:18:21,851 --> 01:18:22,431
That's the other thing.

1071
01:18:22,471 --> 01:18:24,151
It took me a long time to figure out.

1072
01:18:25,151 --> 01:18:28,691
Because I saw a lot of negativity my whole life.

1073
01:18:28,691 --> 01:18:35,811
A lot of the I mean, and there but there's so much beauty that you don't realize until you go back and really start to think about it, too.

1074
01:18:36,331 --> 01:18:41,311
And what happened to me is in my 40s, I very much settled down and.

1075
01:18:42,671 --> 01:18:44,371
I mean, you settle into grace.

1076
01:18:44,531 --> 01:18:49,791
I don't want to turn into a preacher on y'all, but yeah, I found Christianity.

1077
01:18:49,791 --> 01:18:51,251
I found Jesus and.

1078
01:18:52,991 --> 01:18:58,291
I mean, there's so much good to go along with the bad.

1079
01:18:58,691 --> 01:19:14,911
In all aspects of our lives that even if it is just the rooster crowing or that sunshine coming out, you know, the blessings that we have each and every day, especially in this country, the greatest nation to ever exist, greatest nation that can possibly exist.

1080
01:19:15,171 --> 01:19:18,351
As far as I'm concerned, just based on the philosophical nature of its founding.

1081
01:19:21,231 --> 01:19:22,311
We're very blessed.

1082
01:19:23,151 --> 01:19:23,951
A lot of bad stuff.

1083
01:19:24,051 --> 01:19:25,271
They're always going to be bad stuff.

1084
01:19:25,371 --> 01:19:26,731
And we got more than our chair.

1085
01:19:26,731 --> 01:19:32,071
right and especially if you know the cycles of history i'm sure you do have it i mean waves of

1086
01:19:32,071 --> 01:19:39,231
migrants and a loss of shared values and uh you know demagogues so it won't be long now

1087
01:19:39,231 --> 01:19:44,171
won't be long we'll collapse into tyranny the only conversation to have really in my opinion is what

1088
01:19:44,171 --> 01:19:52,831
form that tyranny is going to take well we almost ended on a positive note there we got close we got

1089
01:19:52,831 --> 01:19:54,851
Oh, man, I ruined it.

1090
01:19:55,731 --> 01:19:56,091
Sorry.

1091
01:19:57,171 --> 01:20:01,071
I'm just going to say, I think you two would make a great podcast on your own.

1092
01:20:01,671 --> 01:20:03,951
Well, and I didn't mean to be rude, Alex.

1093
01:20:04,791 --> 01:20:06,671
I'd love to talk to you as well.

1094
01:20:06,831 --> 01:20:09,071
It's just Havoc was wrong, and I had to tell him he was wrong.

1095
01:20:09,811 --> 01:20:11,251
I hate podcasts.

1096
01:20:11,371 --> 01:20:12,311
I do not watch them.

1097
01:20:12,371 --> 01:20:13,331
I do not listen to them.

1098
01:20:14,451 --> 01:20:15,471
It's just not my thing.

1099
01:20:15,471 --> 01:20:17,531
But I could watch you guys go all day.

1100
01:20:17,771 --> 01:20:18,731
It's entertaining to me.

1101
01:20:19,071 --> 01:20:20,251
Hey, bring it.

1102
01:20:20,731 --> 01:20:21,171
Anytime.

1103
01:20:21,811 --> 01:20:22,491
I'm that guy.

1104
01:20:22,491 --> 01:20:28,091
And you're going to look and you're going to prove me wrong at one time and you're going to be amazed at how quickly I'm just like, yeah, I was wrong.

1105
01:20:28,131 --> 01:20:28,491
My bad.

1106
01:20:28,831 --> 01:20:31,931
Like, it's not going to devastate me at all because it happens.

1107
01:20:32,571 --> 01:20:33,211
Oh, good.

1108
01:20:33,271 --> 01:20:33,531
Anyway.

1109
01:20:33,671 --> 01:20:33,871
Yeah.

1110
01:20:33,871 --> 01:20:34,351
Let me know.

1111
01:20:34,391 --> 01:20:38,391
Anytime y'all want to do this and argue about politics, I can argue about politics all day.

1112
01:20:39,051 --> 01:20:40,171
I'll take that day off.

1113
01:20:40,451 --> 01:20:41,471
I hate politics.

1114
01:20:41,651 --> 01:20:44,771
I really try to stay away from that, to be honest with you.

1115
01:20:45,471 --> 01:20:47,451
We both really do.

1116
01:20:47,891 --> 01:20:50,171
But, hey, it's been a good conversation.

1117
01:20:50,171 --> 01:20:56,891
what would you say looking at things where things are today where you are today where

1118
01:20:56,891 --> 01:21:03,691
the world is today etc what what is one thing that you can take away from all of that and go

1119
01:21:03,691 --> 01:21:09,871
you know what this this is a good portion this is something that is good what would be that one

1120
01:21:09,871 --> 01:21:17,771
thing that you look at and just gives you hope the world today yeah anytime anytime you see a

1121
01:21:17,771 --> 01:21:24,531
mass shooting, anytime you see a disaster, anytime you see a fire, something horrible that happens to

1122
01:21:24,531 --> 01:21:31,811
a group of people, pay attention to how many people help. Pay attention to how many people,

1123
01:21:31,991 --> 01:21:36,871
even not, not even just the first responders, but recognize that first responders are usually

1124
01:21:36,871 --> 01:21:42,431
running toward the sound of gunfire or into a burning building or up to the man who is missing

1125
01:21:42,431 --> 01:21:49,671
a torso. Also think about them, but also watch for all of the random people who are in the area

1126
01:21:49,671 --> 01:21:55,051
when that terrible thing happens and they immediately rush to help. They don't think

1127
01:21:55,051 --> 01:21:59,731
about it. And even if they do think about it, their only intention is to go and help. Even if

1128
01:21:59,731 --> 01:22:04,111
it's just to tell them that help's on the way or to co-call for help. You're going to have people

1129
01:22:04,111 --> 01:22:11,271
that run, which is fine. That's an instinct, but also pay attention to all of the grace that is out

1130
01:22:11,271 --> 01:22:17,471
there deep down inside of ourselves we have something that we've denied and it's our share

1131
01:22:17,471 --> 01:22:24,651
it's our fellowship with each other and that's one of the the most prominent times that you will see

1132
01:22:24,651 --> 01:22:29,811
it is right when it is needed it's when when the most horrible things have happened and you will

1133
01:22:29,811 --> 01:22:36,691
see people running towards screaming strangers to help was that what you were looking for

1134
01:22:37,331 --> 01:22:37,831
Something good?

1135
01:22:37,871 --> 01:22:40,551
I was looking for whatever you wanted it to be.

1136
01:22:40,731 --> 01:22:42,511
It was your question.

1137
01:22:44,091 --> 01:22:45,931
I'll try to find something other than Jesus.

1138
01:22:46,731 --> 01:22:47,451
But yeah, go ahead.

1139
01:22:47,571 --> 01:22:48,591
No, that's fine.

1140
01:22:49,131 --> 01:22:52,591
And to that point, I remember when Florence came through.

1141
01:22:53,351 --> 01:23:00,771
And I was talking with a group, and one of the gentlemen was part of the Cajun Navy.

1142
01:23:01,691 --> 01:23:05,331
And he was coming out here to go down to, I think it was Wilmington.

1143
01:23:05,331 --> 01:23:08,871
And, you know, I told him, man, you're welcome.

1144
01:23:09,051 --> 01:23:10,031
I've got plenty of room.

1145
01:23:10,151 --> 01:23:11,371
You can park your stuff here.

1146
01:23:11,471 --> 01:23:12,971
We've got a spare bedroom.

1147
01:23:13,251 --> 01:23:17,471
We'll give you a hot meal and everything else and load you up with some stuff to take with you.

1148
01:23:17,971 --> 01:23:19,471
You know, and you're right, man.

1149
01:23:19,993 --> 01:23:21,033
That's a beautiful thing.

1150
01:23:21,213 --> 01:23:21,833
It's still something.

1151
01:23:21,833 --> 01:23:22,533
And it feels good.

1152
01:23:22,873 --> 01:23:25,973
It feels good to help other people like that.

1153
01:23:25,973 --> 01:23:29,653
And it's not just about glorifying yourself as a hero or anything like that.

1154
01:23:29,753 --> 01:23:37,853
It reestablishes that connection that we have with each other in a way that it's, I mean, in Christianity, they call it grace.

1155
01:23:38,173 --> 01:23:39,873
But you can call it whatever you want.

1156
01:23:39,873 --> 01:23:51,533
But when somebody needs help to give them help, it helps us to connect inside ourselves with what makes us great, what makes individuals good people.

1157
01:23:52,713 --> 01:23:53,873
So, awesome.

1158
01:23:54,413 --> 01:23:55,113
All right.

1159
01:23:55,213 --> 01:23:57,433
And there's one question we like to ask all of our guests.

1160
01:23:57,973 --> 01:24:04,033
You know, throughout our lives, there's a figure that has a massive impact on our lives, a nice long-lasting impact.

1161
01:24:04,033 --> 01:24:08,813
Could be a sixth-grade science teacher, an author, historical figure, could be mom.

1162
01:24:08,813 --> 01:24:13,473
but we like to give our guests the opportunity to shout someone else out and give back

1163
01:24:13,473 --> 01:24:22,293
who would you like to shout out my first reaction is to say jesus and i don't say that okay well and

1164
01:24:22,293 --> 01:24:29,693
i'm trying to do a better job of uh i mean i don't want to shy away from talking about jesus in any

1165
01:24:29,693 --> 01:24:46,409
way but i also don i was that guy man i used to hate when people forced it on you everywhere you go There this guy that But I going to tell you right now man if you read the book of Ecclesiastes you know what I talking about But for the majority of my military career I was chasing

1166
01:24:46,409 --> 01:24:53,349
hedonism, the physical pleasure, emotional gratification, and success. I wanted money.

1167
01:24:53,469 --> 01:24:58,389
I wanted to get the degrees and have all the certifications and have that job that was paying.

1168
01:24:58,389 --> 01:25:21,609
And I got out of the military and I was making a lot of money. I'm not going to tell you all my paycheck, but more money than I grew up very poor. And I never thought I would make that kind of paycheck, but it was all empty. And pursuit of wisdom, pursuit of success, pursuit of money. I mean, all the pleasure, whatever it is that I decided to dedicate my life to.

1169
01:25:21,609 --> 01:25:27,049
all of it was empty in ways that I never could quantify.

1170
01:25:27,949 --> 01:25:33,029
And then when I was at my most lost, when I had no idea what else to do with my life,

1171
01:25:33,069 --> 01:25:34,689
is when God came into my life.

1172
01:25:34,969 --> 01:25:38,489
And over a period of six years, I struggled with that.

1173
01:25:38,549 --> 01:25:40,629
And it's completely normal to struggle with faith.

1174
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:47,309
So that everybody understands that Peter literally was walking on water with Jesus

1175
01:25:47,309 --> 01:25:59,744
based on his faith in Jesus and before he got to Jesus he started to sink His faith started to waver So I mean even the people who are standing beside Jesus and walking on water with him their faith wavered So

1176
01:25:59,744 --> 01:26:07,204
it's okay to struggle with your faith that you have trouble believing. Just try it in a way that

1177
01:26:07,204 --> 01:26:14,964
connects your heart to Jesus and he will transform your heart. Like it's, it's what's missing in not

1178
01:26:14,964 --> 01:26:20,044
only my life, it's without speaking about anybody else's life, like I know what they're going through.

1179
01:26:20,184 --> 01:26:26,144
It's what's missing in everybody's life. All that we are all looking for on this earth that will

1180
01:26:26,144 --> 01:26:31,944
never be found until we find Jesus in our hearts. That's just my opinion, though. So

1181
01:26:31,944 --> 01:26:36,444
if I had to give one person that's changed my life, it'd be the man himself.

1182
01:26:37,644 --> 01:26:44,744
I think that's a wonderful shout out. All right. Well, where can people find you? What do you got

1183
01:26:44,744 --> 01:26:51,324
going on? What are you working on? What's next? I'm not really pushing anything. If you want to

1184
01:26:51,324 --> 01:26:59,404
find me on social media, it's matt.hasty and the number is 378. So matt.hasty378 on Instagram and

1185
01:26:59,404 --> 01:27:04,584
Facebook is the best to find me, but each one of those has a link tree. I have a sub stack that's

1186
01:27:04,584 --> 01:27:16,279
Matthew Hastie but I not selling a book I not running for office I really just want to find the truth and have interesting conversations with people that disagree with me

1187
01:27:17,959 --> 01:27:21,119
So I appreciate y'all being a part of my journey.

1188
01:27:21,299 --> 01:27:22,999
I appreciate you letting me be a part of your journey.

1189
01:27:23,899 --> 01:27:24,419
Thank you.

1190
01:27:24,899 --> 01:27:28,639
Yeah. Thank you for coming on and giving us some of your time.

1191
01:27:28,639 --> 01:27:30,859
It's our most valuable and precious commodity.

1192
01:27:31,619 --> 01:27:34,099
And thank you for giving us some of your time.

1193
01:27:34,419 --> 01:27:35,599
We really appreciate it.

1194
01:27:35,599 --> 01:27:36,879
You know where you can find us.

1195
01:27:37,019 --> 01:27:38,599
We're everywhere podcasts play.

1196
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:39,599
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1197
01:27:40,079 --> 01:27:42,219
We've got a Telegram channel if you want to join that.

1198
01:27:42,459 --> 01:27:43,639
And we're also on X.

1199
01:27:44,459 --> 01:27:45,259
Give us a look.

1200
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:46,899
See if you can find us.

1201
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:48,419
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1202
01:27:48,499 --> 01:27:49,799
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1203
01:27:49,939 --> 01:27:50,599
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1204
01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:51,999
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1205
01:27:52,139 --> 01:27:53,239
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1206
01:27:54,579 --> 01:28:00,879
And remember, wherever you are, whenever you're watching this, have an amazing day.

1207
01:28:01,779 --> 01:28:02,679
Nice to meet you, Matt.

1208
01:28:02,979 --> 01:28:04,019
Nice to meet you, Alex.

1209
01:28:04,019 --> 01:28:04,499
Havoc.

1210
01:28:04,499 --> 01:28:06,499
Now let me know you want to do this again.